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    Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign[W:55]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Heaven forbid a nutjob far righty would actually have to follow the law.
    Let's don't act as if this is some great, immoral crime.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign[W:55]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Let's don't act as if this is some great, immoral crime.
    So, because you happen to support criminality as long as it serves the needs of your rigid ideology, you try to portray anybody who does not support either as engaging in an act?

    Duly noted.
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    Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign[W:55]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    So, because you happen to support criminality as long as it serves the needs of your rigid ideology, you try to portray anybody who does not support either as engaging in an act?

    Duly noted.
    Was Desouza denied due process? Do you suppor someone's civil rights being violated for political reason?

    Duly noted!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    That debate was far better than we generally see here, with all three actually having points and establishing them with previously considered thoughts plainly showing their scaffolding ... I did not find it to be the apex of debate by any of the participants, but all three at their very worst are better than most. The fact of the matter is that Hitchens didn't use D'Souza as a pinata as another poster stated erroneously here... and while Hitchens was generally the better overall speaker and debater in whichever venue he attended, I have never seen him just absolutely vanquish DD in any engagement that I have watched.

    And I would go further to suggest that just because you may not agree with DD's points in that debate does not make them embarrassing nor does it make them incorrect.
    There wouldn't happen to be more than one debate between D'Souza and Hitchens, would there?

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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    There wouldn't happen to be more than one debate between D'Souza and Hitchens, would there?
    Christopher Hitchens vs Dinesh D'Souza - Freedom Fest [2008] - YouTube

    Debate: Atheist vs Christian (Christopher Hitchens vs Dinesh D'Souza) - YouTube Notre Dame

    Debate - Dinesh D'Souza vs Christopher Hitchens - Is Christianity the Problem? - YouTube King's College

    These amongst others, seem to be different occasions when they debated each other... having a hard time with your youtube search function, are ya?
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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Christopher Hitchens vs Dinesh D'Souza - Freedom Fest [2008] - YouTube

    Debate: Atheist vs Christian (Christopher Hitchens vs Dinesh D'Souza) - YouTube Notre Dame

    Debate - Dinesh D'Souza vs Christopher Hitchens - Is Christianity the Problem? - YouTube King's College

    These amongst others, seem to be different occasions when they debated each other... having a hard time with your youtube search function, are ya?
    Which of those is the debate you're talking about?

    Edit: never mind, I found it. I'll get back to you.

    I do enjoy a good evolution/creation debate, not so much for the creationist side since their logical fallacies and inability to understand evolution are always the same, but rather to see how the evolution side responds to them.
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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet Elvis View Post


    What did you expect from President "Pick 'n Choose?"
    That is harsh. Don't you know that the President twice said these words: "I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.Ē ?

    If the President were picking and choosing which laws to enforce, then he would not be faithfully executing the Office of President of the United States.

    ...and if Dinesh did what he was accused, then he should be tried. Then a jury can decide whether he is guilty, not guilty, or not guilty due to an unjust law (jury nullification).

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    Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign[W:55]

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    You saying he's not guilty of anything? He's just a victim of a witch hunt?
    So, to turn the tables, are you saying he is guilty of something? I think he has only be accused, right? That does not equate to guilt to you, does it? And yes, this could very well be a wild goose chase serving only the purpose of punishing DD for having the gall to tell the truth about the big zer O.
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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign[W:55]

    Watching the debate now, and Prager is off to a great start heaping all the world's evils onto secularists, lobbing endless ad homs, and of course (though this should go without saying), complete, unfiltered ignorance of what evolutions entails. He's really hanging his hat on "evolutionists believe we came from nothing." When somebody explains to him that evolutionists don't believe any such thing he's going to be super embarrassed.

    Dinesh is so painfully ignorant about the history of civilization that it makes my head hurt.
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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    As you are well aware, calling something BS is not debate, it is just a lazy opinion without substance... thanks for confirming for me that I am right through your positioning on the topic, yet wasting my time once again.

    Besides which, liberals don't have to step down due to failing to meet the left's standards as that standard is so low as to be nonexistent [ i.e., Clinton, Barney Frank, Gerry Studs ]. Kind of like the standards some hold around here with regards to actual debating. Dinesh, indeed, stepped down as we do, over on this side, have high standards and even the left expects us to uphold and live up to those standards.
    David Vitter didn't step down. Neither did Steve LaTourette. Neither did Larry Craig, although he declined to run again.

    Anthony Weiner stepped down. So did Eric Massa. So did David Wu. That's just in the last few years. You can cherry pick and/or ignore any instances you want to prove your "point." All that proves is how stunningly dishonest the argument is.

    That's what's BULL**** about it. And the idea that simply calling it that "proves you right" is laughable to the point of absurdity.
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