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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You think corporations and the 0.01% should be allowed to buy politicians?
    As much as I believe politicians should be allowed to buy voters

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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Hey, if one is being intellectuall lazy, especially after one has been warned of doing so, somebody has to take the lazy to task, eh?

    I more than partially agree with his premise: why should all of us defend and take responsibility for what the left has, through such methods as the media [ i.e., Hollywood, Television and the music industry] along with its highjacking of our educational system to fulfill its desires to create a depraved and degenerate popular culture then attempt to force feed this decadence to the rest of the globe... why should we all take blame for what the left has done to the formally high morality previously promulgated and shown to the world as a beacon, not the current embarrassment, of this proud nation?

    One can easily understand how a prideful religious group might feel threatened by all the debauchery that shows little sign of dwindling and is, instead, gaining momentum in this country as your side barrels full steam ahead at breaking down all the barriers of propriety and decency.

    Nah, he is spot on with this practical and insightful extrapolations...
    So - Americans caused 9/11? Yes or no?
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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    As much as I believe politicians should be allowed to buy voters
    It makes a mockery of one man, one vote.

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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Yes. A term limited President has decided that now is the time to exert energy and direct his operatives to fabricate a FEC violation and indictment against a niche conservative political commentator. Because why not. You nailed it.
    I think the technical term is "YOLO"

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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    RE: the bold ...

    Bull****.
    As you are well aware, calling something BS is not debate, it is just a lazy opinion without substance... thanks for confirming for me that I am right through your positioning on the topic, yet wasting my time once again.

    Besides which, liberals don't have to step down due to failing to meet the left's standards as that standard is so low as to be nonexistent [ i.e., Clinton, Barney Frank, Gerry Studs ]. Kind of like the standards some hold around here with regards to actual debating. Dinesh, indeed, stepped down as we do, over on this side, have high standards and even the left expects us to uphold and live up to those standards.
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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I saw that debate, actually, and nobody came out on top. D'Souza embarrassed himself by making an endless serious of facile, fallacious arguments, and Hitchens responded with (probably drunken) rants. It was lose-lose. D'Souza was able to present himself well, but that's about it.
    That debate was far better than we generally see here, with all three actually having points and establishing them with previously considered thoughts plainly showing their scaffolding ... I did not find it to be the apex of debate by any of the participants, but all three at their very worst are better than most. The fact of the matter is that Hitchens didn't use D'Souza as a pinata as another poster stated erroneously here... and while Hitchens was generally the better overall speaker and debater in whichever venue he attended, I have never seen him just absolutely vanquish DD in any engagement that I have watched.

    And I would go further to suggest that just because you may not agree with DD's points in that debate does not make them embarrassing nor does it make them incorrect.
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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So - Americans caused 9/11? Yes or no?
    Memory problems? I already said in at least two posts...and have explained thoroughly that I agree with the essence of what DD is saying. As per the Wikipedia article you presented as your sole reference to DD's views on the subject, DD in his book, The Enemy at Home: The Cultural Left and its Responsibility for 9/11, "argues that the American cultural left was in large part responsible for the Muslim anger that led to the September 11 attacks." Your facile attempt to get me to take your own silly, as well as false, view of his view was a middle school like effort as a debate tactic. Please show me where he said, as you state he says, that "Americans caused 9/11".

    But that you should again be reminded of, and maybe ultimately understand, my own view on the above perspective attributed to DD in Wikipedia...

    YES.

    Does that make it quite plain enough for you?
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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I don't have to watch porn to know it contains graphic sexual imagery
    Sometimes you can't judge a book by looking at its cover.

    And you do sometimes need to read for yourself what someone has said rather than to rely on third-hand one-liners.

    Then, veering into the realm of my own little fantasies, not having such visceral hatred for strangers is a great start to a better world. The partisans on all sides who suffer from schadenfreude are sick-making.

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    Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign[W:55]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    and another conservative having problems with money
    Another Conservative that criticized Obama gets targetted by the government.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You vote according to who gets the most campaign money? That's an odd method.
    So, then, if money does not influence voting, why do candidates even bother to go through the trouble to raising money?
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