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Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign[W:55]

Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

D'Souza has the intellectual chops of your average wet fart.

I think perhaps you've just demonstrated yours. Which of his books have you read, Kobie?
 
Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

I think perhaps you've just demonstrated yours. Which of his books have you read, Kobie?

I read as much of that steaming pile of garbage he called "The Roots of Obama's Rage" as I could stomach. It was pure tripe.
 
Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

Nope, again, your abilities at accurate assessment are called into question. I called what you said not to be a touche' but rather to be a douche'... just a play on words...as a debater you should be a little more aware... and certainly should not be so overly sensitive as to take such personally...yanno? If not, probably a good time to learn if you are not too old a dog to learn the new trick or two.

And please, perhaps you are in a position to tell your children, if you have them, what to do, but refrain from that type silliness with me...

You have yet to assert, much less prove, anything of a particularly hypocritical nature with regards to Dinesh... maybe you could put a little effort into it, show a bit of evidence of what you portend is the truth rather that expecting us to just take an unsubstantiated opinion, one called already properly called into question, about him...eh?

Best of luck with all that. ;):2wave:


Mr. Morality cheating on his wife and being indicted for breaking the law?

Yep, that's hypocrisy to me.

Your mileage may vary.
 
Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

Why do you call D'Souza "Mr. Morality"?
 
Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

Its ALL true. Prove me wrong in any aspect.

1. Did not the Red Cross and the Brits understand the risks and wisely remove themselves from the scene before things got completely out of hand?
2. Was Hillary not responsible, and Obama ultimately responsible, for leaving our people there in an untenable situation that eventually ended up being this debacle?
3. Was there not a desire on the part of the administration to maintain the false premise that Al Qaeda was on the run in the world and no longer a "real" problem?
4. Didn't almost all facets of the administration that had a public face lie to the American people, even Obama directly in the debate in which he was disingenuously assisted by Candy Crowley leading to a false sense of what happened being given to the American people with the election imminent and thus assisted in getting him elected when it could/should well have turned the election?
5. Don't we now know that the Administration was advised immediately that it was a terrorist attack and not a spontaneous event... or is it just you and other liberal types that are ignorant of this and all these other TRUE facts?

I eagerly await your impending dodges...

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Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

I think perhaps you've just demonstrated yours. Which of his books have you read, Kobie?

I don't have to watch porn to know it contains graphic sexual imagery
 
Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

Mr. Morality cheating on his wife and being indicted for breaking the law?

Yep, that's hypocrisy to me.

Your mileage may vary.
Oh, I am quite sure we could all be found as hypocrites in some way or another... we are all human and have failings. However, conservatives when they fall to temptation seem to take responsibility and show a bit of contriteness that most liberals don't. Take for instance the almost worshiped John Kennedy... how many affairs did this guy have? And did he step down from his position, or any of his positions? How about Bill Clinton, still vaunted as the high muckety-muck of the left... he was using his positions of power to try to force himself on women, has had many affairs and is even accused, credibly of rape and yet, and yet, do the feminist groups come down hard on him? Nooooo...so you want to talk hypocrisy? How about Ted Kennedy, drives a young lady, not his wife, off a bridge and leaves her to drown...does he report it, does he make sure he gets help, nope. How is he regarded by the left, rock star hero status...

Being indicted, by the way, is not the same as being guilty.

Like wrongly indicting Tom Delay of Texas, this is just a method that the left uses to strike at the right... the left, as proven in the few instances itemized above, don't really care if someone is cheating... unless he is on the wrong side of the aisle.



Besides, you cannot slip off the hook with the charge of being a hypocrite, you were arguing that Hitchens basically mopped the floor with Dinesh... and you are just flat out wrong... I would say, for instance, in the Hitchens-D'Souza-Prager religious debate D'Souza came out on top. Youtube it and if you are truly a moderate and not of the left, if you are intellectually honest and have any ability to judge such things, you will no doubt agree and, even if you do not, you certainly cannot say Hitchens just walked all over him like you were blithely and lamely asserting previously.
 
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Oh, I am quite sure we could all be found as hypocrites in some way or another... we are all human and have failings. However, conservatives when they fall to temptation seem to take responsibility and show a bit of contriteness that most liberals don't. Take for instance the almost worshiped John Kennedy... how many affairs did this guy have? And did he step down from his position, or any of his positions? How about Bill Clinton, still vaunted as the high muckety-muck of the left... he was using his positions of power to try to force himself on women, has had many affairs and is even accused, credibly of rape and yet, and yet, do the feminist groups come down hard on him? Nooooo...so you want to talk hypocrisy? How about Ted Kennedy, drives a young lady, not his wife, off a bridge and leaves her to drown...does he report it, does he make sure he gets help, nope. How is he regarded by the left, rock star hero status...

Being indicted, by the way, is not the same as being guilty.

Like wrongly indicting Tom Delay of Texas, this is just a method that the left uses to strike at the right... the left, as proven in the few instances itemized above, don't really care if someone is cheating... unless he is on the wrong side of the aisle.



Besides, you cannot slip off the hook with the charge of being a hypocrite, you were arguing that Hitchens basically mopped the floor with Dinesh... and you are just flat out wrong... I would say, for instance, in the Hitchens-D'Souza-Prager religious debate D'Souza came out on top. Youtube it and if you are truly a moderate and not of the left, if you are intellectually honest and have any ability to judge such things, you will no doubt agree and, even if you do not, you certainly cannot say Hitchens just walked all over him like you were blithely and lamely asserting previously.

RE: the bold ...

Bull****.
 
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Besides, you cannot slip off the hook with the charge of being a hypocrite, you were arguing that Hitchens basically mopped the floor with Dinesh... and you are just flat out wrong... I would say, for instance, in the Hitchens-D'Souza-Prager religious debate D'Souza came out on top. Youtube it and if you are truly a moderate and not of the left, if you are intellectually honest and have any ability to judge such things, you will no doubt agree and, even if you do not, you certainly cannot say Hitchens just walked all over him like you were blithely and lamely asserting previously.

I saw that debate, actually, and nobody came out on top. D'Souza embarrassed himself by making an endless serious of facile, fallacious arguments, and Hitchens responded with (probably drunken) rants. It was lose-lose. D'Souza was able to present himself well, but that's about it.
 
Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

Obama has always had very thin skin. So it should come to no surprise that this took place. More political money probably comes from what this man did than through legal channels. He just didn't have his paperwork in order. I disagree with the bond which had to be posted for a man who turned himself in and has been cooperating with authorities.

Bottom line is that it makes the Justice Department look that much more the Gestapo and Obama that much more petty.
 
Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

You think corporations and the 0.01% should be allowed to buy politicians?

As much as I believe politicians should be allowed to buy voters
 
Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

Hey, if one is being intellectuall lazy, especially after one has been warned of doing so, somebody has to take the lazy to task, eh?

I more than partially agree with his premise: why should all of us defend and take responsibility for what the left has, through such methods as the media [ i.e., Hollywood, Television and the music industry] along with its highjacking of our educational system to fulfill its desires to create a depraved and degenerate popular culture then attempt to force feed this decadence to the rest of the globe... why should we all take blame for what the left has done to the formally high morality previously promulgated and shown to the world as a beacon, not the current embarrassment, of this proud nation?

One can easily understand how a prideful religious group might feel threatened by all the debauchery that shows little sign of dwindling and is, instead, gaining momentum in this country as your side barrels full steam ahead at breaking down all the barriers of propriety and decency.

Nah, he is spot on with this practical and insightful extrapolations...

So - Americans caused 9/11? Yes or no?
 
Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

As much as I believe politicians should be allowed to buy voters

It makes a mockery of one man, one vote.
 
Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

Yes. A term limited President has decided that now is the time to exert energy and direct his operatives to fabricate a FEC violation and indictment against a niche conservative political commentator. Because why not. You nailed it.

I think the technical term is "YOLO"
 
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RE: the bold ...

Bull****.
As you are well aware, calling something BS is not debate, it is just a lazy opinion without substance... thanks for confirming for me that I am right through your positioning on the topic, yet wasting my time once again.

Besides which, liberals don't have to step down due to failing to meet the left's standards as that standard is so low as to be nonexistent [ i.e., Clinton, Barney Frank, Gerry Studs ]. Kind of like the standards some hold around here with regards to actual debating. Dinesh, indeed, stepped down as we do, over on this side, have high standards and even the left expects us to uphold and live up to those standards.
 
Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

I saw that debate, actually, and nobody came out on top. D'Souza embarrassed himself by making an endless serious of facile, fallacious arguments, and Hitchens responded with (probably drunken) rants. It was lose-lose. D'Souza was able to present himself well, but that's about it.
That debate was far better than we generally see here, with all three actually having points and establishing them with previously considered thoughts plainly showing their scaffolding ... I did not find it to be the apex of debate by any of the participants, but all three at their very worst are better than most. The fact of the matter is that Hitchens didn't use D'Souza as a pinata as another poster stated erroneously here... and while Hitchens was generally the better overall speaker and debater in whichever venue he attended, I have never seen him just absolutely vanquish DD in any engagement that I have watched.

And I would go further to suggest that just because you may not agree with DD's points in that debate does not make them embarrassing nor does it make them incorrect.
 
Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

So - Americans caused 9/11? Yes or no?
Memory problems? I already said in at least two posts...and have explained thoroughly that I agree with the essence of what DD is saying. As per the Wikipedia article you presented as your sole reference to DD's views on the subject, DD in his book, The Enemy at Home: The Cultural Left and its Responsibility for 9/11, "argues that the American cultural left was in large part responsible for the Muslim anger that led to the September 11 attacks." Your facile attempt to get me to take your own silly, as well as false, view of his view was a middle school like effort as a debate tactic. Please show me where he said, as you state he says, that "Americans caused 9/11".

But that you should again be reminded of, and maybe ultimately understand, my own view on the above perspective attributed to DD in Wikipedia...

YES.

Does that make it quite plain enough for you?
 
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I don't have to watch porn to know it contains graphic sexual imagery

Sometimes you can't judge a book by looking at its cover. ;)

And you do sometimes need to read for yourself what someone has said rather than to rely on third-hand one-liners.

Then, veering into the realm of my own little fantasies, not having such visceral hatred for strangers is a great start to a better world. The partisans on all sides who suffer from schadenfreude are sick-making.
 
Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

You vote according to who gets the most campaign money? That's an odd method.

So, then, if money does not influence voting, why do candidates even bother to go through the trouble to raising money?
 
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Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

there should be no limit on donations as long as there is disclosure

and if you have to pay millions in taxes only to have 10 freeloaders out vote you-yeah, you should be able to use that money to influence the elections

I disagree with disclosure. Donations should be confidential for the same reason votes are confidential.
 
Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign[W:55]

You saying he's not guilty of anything? He's just a victim of a witch hunt?
It's Obama's fault that he's being accused of wrongdoing.

"This message brought to you by the party of Personal Responsibility.
 
You saying he's not guilty of anything? He's just a victim of a witch hunt?

Guilty, or not, the reason he was scrutinized is because he dared criticize The Messiah.
 
Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

Sometimes you can't judge a book by looking at its cover. ;)

And you do sometimes need to read for yourself what someone has said rather than to rely on third-hand one-liners.

Then, veering into the realm of my own little fantasies, not having such visceral hatred for strangers is a great start to a better world. The partisans on all sides who suffer from schadenfreude are sick-making.

And sometimes you can

In this case, all I would need to know (that is, if I weren't already familiar with his drivel) is that he believes liberals caused 9/11
 
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