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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    So, then, if money does not influence voting, why do candidates even bother to go through the trouble to raising money?
    Do you vote according to campaign funding?

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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Do you vote according to campaign funding?

    Far too many vote according to the propaganda that spews forth during every election season - that "propaganda" which is paid for with "campaign funding". More money - more negative ads is the way it has played out.
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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Far too many vote according to the propaganda that spews forth during every election season - that "propaganda" which is paid for with "campaign funding". More money - more negative ads is the way it has played out.

    But not you, right?

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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    That is harsh. Don't you know that the President twice said these words: "I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.Ē ?

    If the President were picking and choosing which laws to enforce, then he would not be faithfully executing the Office of President of the United States.

    ...and if Dinesh did what he was accused, then he should be tried. Then a jury can decide whether he is guilty, not guilty, or not guilty due to an unjust law (jury nullification).
    Equality under the law is a constitutional right...or, it was, anyway.

    Straw-donor cases have been brought against prominnent individuals from time to time. For example, in 2011, a prominent Los Angeles attorney, Pierce OíDonnell, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor chargest of making $20,000 in donations to the presidential campaign of former Sen. John Edwards and reimbursing straw donors.

    Conservative author and pundit Dinesh D’Souza charged in campaign finance case - The Washington Post
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    That debate was far better than we generally see here, with all three actually having points and establishing them with previously considered thoughts plainly showing their scaffolding ... I did not find it to be the apex of debate by any of the participants, but all three at their very worst are better than most. The fact of the matter is that Hitchens didn't use D'Souza as a pinata as another poster stated erroneously here... and while Hitchens was generally the better overall speaker and debater in whichever venue he attended, I have never seen him just absolutely vanquish DD in any engagement that I have watched.

    And I would go further to suggest that just because you may not agree with DD's points in that debate does not make them embarrassing nor does it make them incorrect.
    Continuing the debate again (42 minutes in), and while Hitchens hasn't yet used D'Souza as a pinata (he got off to a bit of a shaky start, admittedly), he definitely steamrolled the ever loving bejeezus out of Prager.

    With concerns to D'Souza it was unclear where he was trying to take his Cafeteria Christian theme and how it was supposed to apply to the context of the debate. Also, he trips when he claims that antisemitism has no secular roots, when in fact it does. Well, when I mean "secular" here, I merely mean that the roots are not necessarily based in Christian dogma, per se, but rather mixed in together. The Jews, having no laws against usury, were allowed to be money lenders, and did in fact finance many a royal and noble family's expenditures, not the least of which were the very Crusades themselves. And so of course those families would find themselves in great debt, but good news though: with the death or exile of the lender, the debt was cleared. You can probably see where this is going. Jews in England were forcibly baptized, upon which their usury was illegal. And if they continued as Jews then they were exiled, with all their belongings confiscated of course. Debt cleared, huzzah!

    With concern to Prager, yeah, Hitchens used him as Pinata alright. Prager asked Hitchens who he would turn to for help if he were a Jew during the Holocaust, the assumption being that the church (or just religious people in general) could be relied upon to have the morality to do the right thing in this regard. Big, big mistake. Hitchens was highly informed of the facts surrounding the Catholic church and the Holocaust, and he utterly decimated that assumption, notably pointing out that not one Nazi was excommunicated except for Goebbels, and that was only because he had married a Protestant. There was more, but point is, if I had to choose a moment to be Prager, that moment in time would not be it.

    Nice to see Hitchens not drunk, btw.

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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    ACORN doesn't exist and hasn't since 2010. Get some new material.
    INCORRECT... color me shocked..

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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    INCORRECT... color me shocked..
    ACORN disbanding; some services to continue

    Scandal-tainted ACORN is disbanding, a spokesman for the national community activist group says, although its housing division will continue, according to two news reports.

    ...

    The Wall Street Journal says ACORN Housing, which has a separate budget and board, would remain open.
    ACORN is dead. ACORN Housing is not ACORN.
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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Continuing the debate again (42 minutes in), and while Hitchens hasn't yet used D'Souza as a pinata (he got off to a bit of a shaky start, admittedly), he definitely steamrolled the ever loving bejeezus out of Prager.

    With concerns to D'Souza it was unclear where he was trying to take his Cafeteria Christian theme and how it was supposed to apply to the context of the debate. Also, he trips when he claims that antisemitism has no secular roots, when in fact it does. Well, when I mean "secular" here, I merely mean that the roots are not necessarily based in Christian dogma, per se, but rather mixed in together. The Jews, having no laws against usury, were allowed to be money lenders, and did in fact finance many a royal and noble family's expenditures, not the least of which were the very Crusades themselves. And so of course those families would find themselves in great debt, but good news though: with the death or exile of the lender, the debt was cleared. You can probably see where this is going. Jews in England were forcibly baptized, upon which their usury was illegal. And if they continued as Jews then they were exiled, with all their belongings confiscated of course. Debt cleared, huzzah!

    With concern to Prager, yeah, Hitchens used him as Pinata alright. Prager asked Hitchens who he would turn to for help if he were a Jew during the Holocaust, the assumption being that the church (or just religious people in general) could be relied upon to have the morality to do the right thing in this regard. Big, big mistake. Hitchens was highly informed of the facts surrounding the Catholic church and the Holocaust, and he utterly decimated that assumption, notably pointing out that not one Nazi was excommunicated except for Goebbels, and that was only because he had married a Protestant. There was more, but point is, if I had to choose a moment to be Prager, that moment in time would not be it.

    Nice to see Hitchens not drunk, btw.
    I do not want to be accused of derailing the thread and so will be brief as to your well written and well meaning, but [ unfortunately ]off topic post. The Jews did have laws against usury depending upon how one defines usury. But, whether charging interest or what some might term excessive interest, it was considered a sin. And as regards Prager, being completely void of the OP, I will only say that we would have to agree to disagree. If you want to start a thread on this video debate, I will be happy to debate all these points with you in further detail.

    The fact of the matter is, though, that Hitchens did not use D/Souza as a pinata as an earlier poster erroneously stated... and as regards the OP, we have charges, an indictment is only that... I will await further actual evidence and then a determination of guilt or innocence in the case. According to the WP "The indictment was the result of a routine review by the FBI of campaign filings with the FEC by various candidates after the 2012 election, according to the U.S. Attorney’s office." Conservative author and pundit Dinesh D’Souza charged in campaign finance case - The Washington Post

    "Routine"? Yeah, right. The post also states that other prominent people have been prosecuted in the past such as Democratic operative, Pierce O'Donnell, as if he were just someone prominent... he has other associations that are not so squeaky clean, however.
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    Re: Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign[W:55]

    I was saddened to read this story, as I met him during my tenure in Washington. His life really seems to have taken a bad trajectory recently, as his shift from political scholarship (author of Illiberal Education) to hard-nosed ideological pursuits seemed to accelerate. A sense of balance seems to have been lost in the process. His trying to shape ideas and perceptions through his writing and film may have morphed into a bid to impact electoral outcomes as a means toward the ideological vision he embraced. He had an affair that led to his departure as President of King's College. This indictment--and there should be a presumption of innocence as with all cases--is troubling in a way his affair was not. As noted at the beginning, I am saddened. I hope that no matter the outcome, he is able to get his life back on track.

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    Re: Dinesh DíSouza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors to Give to a Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    ACORN disbanding; some services to continue



    ACORN is dead. ACORN Housing is not ACORN.


    Needless to say ..you really are not in the know..and your posts to me are comedy..

    ACORN Spinoff Received HUD Grant Despite Federal Funding Ban

    ACORN is back in the news. Thatís right, the supposedly defunct, defunded and bankrupt organization that fixed elections for liberal candidates is STILL alive and well.
    Judicial Watch recently released documents from the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) revealing that on February 12, 2013, HUD Deputy Assistant Secretary for Housing Counseling Sarah Gerecke may have violated federal law by requesting that $201,222.07 be transferred from the account of the defunct Affordable Housing Centers of America (AHCOA), an ACORN spinoff, to HUD intermediary Mission for Peace ďto specifically pay for the activities of former AHCOA affiliates .Ē

    According to the documents, received pursuant to a FOIA request filed on May 16, 2013, the Gerecke memo requesting the transfer appears to have been in violation of the first continuing resolution of FY 13. That resolution continued funding levels under the FY 2012 appropriations bills, which provided that no HUD funds ďmade available under this Act may be distributed to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) or its subsidiaries.Ē

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