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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Uhh, the state declined to defend the law.
    Uhh, I am aware that California failed to defend its law.

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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Upholding the constitution is his job, and an unconstitutional law doesn't do that. Quit trying to deflect this into "he doesn't like it." That's such a lame cop out. Funny how you'll bitch about something you perceive to be violating the constitution and then turn around and demand people defend unconstitutional actions.

    Maybe you can tell us the grounds on which to defend the law, given the numerous court cases overturning similar laws, and SCOTUS' declaration that straight people aren't harmed by two dudes marrying. Go ahead. Give us the legal argument you think he can make.
    No, he is abandoning his oath of office which is to defend the STATE constitution. In Virginia the ban on homosexual marriage is part of the STATE constitution. Neither the SCOTUS nor the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals has declared this provision in their constitution federally unconstitutional. Thus it remains his duty to defend the Virginia STATE constitution. That is the duty he signed on to. He has abrogated his duty and thus is subject to impeachment.
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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Uhh, I am aware that California failed to defend its law.
    Yes, however at least their atty gen had the excuse that the federal circuit court had ruled the state constitutional provision unconstitutional federally. Lame excuse considering the amendment to the state's constitution reflected the direct will of the people, but an excuse nonetheless. This asshat has no such excuse and has simply abandoned his duty.

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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

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    Children are literally starving in Africa, and you're worried about the economy? Is a bad economy killing you? No? Get your priorities straight, man. Government can only do one thing, apparently, so it must be the absolutely most important thing.
    Well. I see we don't have to worry about you at the Comprehensionist of the Year competition. Anyone with actual working brain cells would of figured out that parts of it was addressed to those who make such issues the issue their vote hangs on.

    Hey, I feel sorry for all the starving people in Africa. Ok, so not all of them. But hell, they are the ones who allowed socialism, so **** them. The only real way to help ourselves and them is to iradicate any adherence or advocacy of any form of socialism. Hitler had it wrong about the Jews and Gypsies, but had a damned good idea and plan for the commies. Lets expand it to all socialist, be they liberals, progressives, socialist, communist or worthless assholes who would go along with such. Until we eliminate all socialist types, we cannot really improve the country or the planet.

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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Uhh, I am aware that California failed to defend its law.
    And everyone in this thread was aware that a state has the capability to defend a law. But thanks for pointing it out.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yes, however at least their atty gen had the excuse that the federal circuit court had ruled the state constitutional provision unconstitutional federally. Lame excuse considering the amendment to the state's constitution reflected the direct will of the people, but an excuse nonetheless. This asshat has no such excuse and has simply abandoned his duty.
    His duty is not to protect something unconstitutional. No matter how much you want unconstitutional laws, you don't get to keep them.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    I'm not an overly large proponent of how all of these officials whether it be Holder or Herring or any other Attorney General disregard laws when they feel like it to further a political agenda. I am all for same sex marriage and equal rights for gays, but do it the right way, not the "I don't have enough support so I'll bypass the system" way.
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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    His duty is not to protect something unconstitutional. No matter how much you want unconstitutional laws, you don't get to keep them.
    That part of his state constitution has not been ruled unconstitutional (nor is it his job to decide the constitutionality of his state's constitution). Thus it is the law of Virginia, and he must by oath and duty defend it. If he doesn't want to do that then he needs to step down and find a job he can perform.

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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That part of his state constitution has not been ruled unconstitutional. Thus it is the law of Virginia, and he must by oath and duty defend it. If he doesn't want to do that then he needs to step down and find a job he can perform.
    Defend on what grounds?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I'm rather shocked he did this considering the "will of the people" tripe. That's something politicians have mostly been spineless to confront, even with bans from a decade ago. Then again, he's not elected, so i guess it's not as surprising as if a governor did this.

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