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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    States can defend their laws. Your want for an "individual" has no legal standing.

    Of course a State can defend their laws, that wasn't the question that was originally asked. The State of California choose not to defend the law (actually not to appeal the District Courts ruling). The proponents then proceeded to attempt to replace the State in the proceedings, since they were acting as the proponents of the law and did not show standing (i.e. an individual directly harmed by the law) their participation was dismissed.



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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Of course a State can defend their laws, that wasn't the question that was originally asked.
    Then the state would have standing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Obama didn't violate the law. DOMA was in force until SCOTUS ruled otherwise.
    Enforcing a law and defending a law in court aren't the same thing.
    they are exactly the same. yes he did. he has refused to uphold our immigration laws and in fact has enforcement of those laws without congressional approval.
    whether it is the state AG or the federal AG they job is to protect and up hold the law of the land. not get to pick and choose what items they wish or do not wish to uphold.

    DOMA was shot down saying that the federal government doesn't have the right to determine marriage. that it is a state's issue. this issue is going to go back to the SCOTUS and they will have to give a ruling that states have the right to define marriage how they wish.

    what is happening is judges are taking the most liberal possible view of what the SC ruled on even though the SC can a very narrow ruling.

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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Oh, and digsbe, it's outright disingenuous to suggest this isn't defending a law because he "doesn't like it." He's not defending the law because he believes it to be unconstitutional and has no grounds on which to defend it. You really should quit trying to dodge actual discussion of the issue like that.
    It doesn't matter what he believes. that isn't his job. his job is to defend and uphold the laws of the state. not pick and choose which laws he likes or doesn't like.

    you keep bringing up an irrelevant argument.

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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So he's just not going to defend laws the people supported because he doesn't like it.

    Real classy. Just ignore your job because you don't like the law. Who is supposed to represent the people who did vote for the bans and stand up for them?
    There isn't anyone someone would have to hire a law firm to try and defend the law. of course the court will rule that they don't have standing that it is the state that is suppose to which means that there is no one to defend the will of the people.

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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quick, look, The dems support homosexual marriage. Wow, what breaking news. Frankly, I'm tired of the whole mess and the force it down peoples throats approach.

    In the last 5 years, it has been the same. Obama/dems do something stupid, multiple articles on how dems support homosexual marriage.

    The economy still sucks and is not really recovering, but hey, Obama supports homosexual marriage. Etc.

    Ok, this issue will reach the Supreme Court. Until it rules, all these threads and all this hoopla is nothing. Just a bunch of pole smokers spam wasting everyones time. BTW, if you think this is a high priority issue in this county, then pull your ****ing head out of your ass and look around. The country is failing all around us and whether homosexuals get to claim they are married or not is pretty much the bottom of the barrel for issues people should be looking at. If you are looking at it, the your a ****ing useless dumbass that the country would be better off without. Get your god-damned priorities strait.
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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    actually he is probably violating the law just like Obama did.

    the law was passed by the people of the state. it is up to the AG to defend the law regardless if he agrees with the law or not. just like it is Obama's job to uphold the law of the land.
    you don't get to pick and choose which laws you want to defend or not defend.

    that isn't how it works. for some reason these people forget this.
    Today's word is Constitutional.

    No it isn't. It's his job to defend laws that are Constitutional. But KKK members in Mississippi, a state that that had laws barring black people from voting, will disagree with me. Of course, THEIR attorney general defended that law. Was he right to do so? Hell no. He was breaking FEDERAL law, which trumps state laws in such matters. Will of the people only works until the will of the people tramples the rights of others. Then it no longer counts.
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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    States can defend their laws. Your want for an "individual" has no legal standing.
    Uhh, the state declined to defend the law.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    It doesn't matter what he believes. that isn't his job. his job is to defend and uphold the laws of the state. not pick and choose which laws he likes or doesn't like.

    you keep bringing up an irrelevant argument.
    Upholding the constitution is his job, and an unconstitutional law doesn't do that. Quit trying to deflect this into "he doesn't like it." That's such a lame cop out. Funny how you'll bitch about something you perceive to be violating the constitution and then turn around and demand people defend unconstitutional actions.

    Maybe you can tell us the grounds on which to defend the law, given the numerous court cases overturning similar laws, and SCOTUS' declaration that straight people aren't harmed by two dudes marrying. Go ahead. Give us the legal argument you think he can make.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Quick, look, The dems support homosexual marriage. Wow, what breaking news. Frankly, I'm tired of the whole mess and the force it down peoples throats approach.

    In the last 5 years, it has been the same. Obama/dems do something stupid, multiple articles on how dems support homosexual marriage.

    The economy still sucks and is not really recovering, but hey, Obama supports homosexual marriage. Etc.

    Ok, this issue will reach the Supreme Court. Until it rules, all these threads and all this hoopla is nothing. Just a bunch of pole smokers spam wasting everyones time. BTW, if you think this is a high priority issue in this county, then pull your ****ing head out of your ass and look around. The country is failing all around us and whether homosexuals get to claim they are married or not is pretty much the bottom of the barrel for issues people should be looking at. If you are looking at it, the your a ****ing useless dumbass that the country would be better off without. Get your god-damned priorities strait.
    Children are literally starving in Africa, and you're worried about the economy? Is a bad economy killing you? No? Get your priorities straight, man. Government can only do one thing, apparently, so it must be the absolutely most important thing.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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