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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    so what's your point. elected officials should only enforce laws they find acceptable?
    Yes. That is why they are elected. If the electorate does not approve then their political career will have no future. It is a choice of principle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    so what's your point. elected officials should only enforce laws they find acceptable?
    How's about we look at laws on the books by the various states that are not enforced

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    so what's your point. elected officials should only enforce laws they find acceptable?
    When a strong legal argument can be made for the law being unconstitutional. Don't pretend this is just some whimsical notion or personal preference, the AG spelled out a legal argument.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    How's about we look at laws on the books by the various states that are not enforced
    if the citizens of that state want those laws enforced they can make it happen. laws that are not enforced means you can't even find a handful of people who care about it's enforcement. That is not the case here. This is a divisive issue people care about and want the law enforced.

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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    When a strong legal argument can be made for the law being unconstitutional. Don't pretend this is just some whimsical notion or personal preference, the AG spelled out a legal argument.
    "strong legal arguments" mean zip. If they were so strong they would be law, not still just legal arguments. You can't just skip a step like that.

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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    if the citizens of that state want those laws enforced they can make it happen. laws that are not enforced means you can't even find a handful of people who care about it's enforcement. That is not the case here. This is a divisive issue people care about and want the law enforced.
    From Tennessee you speak for the citizens of Virginia? The law is being enforced as of now I know of no recorded gay marriage in that state.

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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    "strong legal arguments" mean zip. If they were so strong they would be law, not still just legal arguments. You can't just skip a step like that.
    Nothing is being skipped. This is the process we have for removing an unconstitutional, unjust, and unAmerican law. Virginia, at least, wont find itself the last bastion of hate again.
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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    good grief lol

    THE LAW IS BEING ENFORCE!

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    "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Virginia, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge all the duties incumbent upon me as ... according to the best of my ability (so help me God)."
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    Legal Brief
    Virginia won't defend its same-sex marriage ban

    from the video
    Attorney General Mark Herring said "Rainey ( State Registrar of Vital Records Janet M. Rainey) will continue to enforce the current band but neither she not I will defend its constitutionality"
    from the linked article
    Herring's move comes exactly a week before the first challenge to Virginia's same-sex marriage ban is due to be heard in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia. Herring said the case, brought by two gay and lesbian couples, will go forward with two regional circuit court clerks defending the ban. In the meantime, the state will continue to enforce it.
    from the brief
    Rainey will continue to enforce the provisions of Virginia law at issue until the judicial branch can render a decision in this matter

    everything is in order

    law and oath support his actions
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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    if the citizens of that state want those laws enforced they can make it happen. laws that are not enforced means you can't even find a handful of people who care about it's enforcement. That is not the case here. This is a divisive issue people care about and want the law enforced.
    the law is being enforced
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    Re: Va. AG's office: Gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Section 15-A. Marriage.

    That only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions. This Commonwealth and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance, or effects of marriage. Nor shall this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions create or recognize another union, partnership, or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities, or effects of marriage.

    The amendment ratified November 7, 2006, and effective January 1, 2007—Added a new section (15-A).
    Constitution of Virginia

    It's part of the Constitution he is sworn to uphold...

    It's a shame that the people who supported this essentially have no one to protect their right to vote or even have their legal opinions argued by the state in protection of the state constitution. The same thing happened in Cali with prop 8. The AG didn't like the law so he wouldn't defend it. It's backdoor legalization essentially if you have a private group trying to explain state interest in a court case.

    An AG should enforce laws and uphold them in court, especially constitutional amendments. It's a disservice to all citizens to politicize laws and just chose to not enforce things that they don't like.
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