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Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

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So you believe the UK\USA coup was good for Iran, and didn't serve to drive support towards the resistance to that coup? Khomeini was going to have support no matter what, but a coup from the outside could only serve to drive more support his way, by demonstrating that the the outside influences were negative.

No it didn't. As I already pointed out, Mosaddegh was the one that brought Islamists to the political table in Iran.


If the West hadn't interfered, they may have been able to make their own decisions. Mohammad Mosaddegh was no wild-eyed religious nut. Iran may have ended up in the same place, but they wouldn't have a legitimate reason to blame anyone but themselves.

I never said he was a religious nut, I said he used religious nuts to enforce his political power. He also used socialist nuts and nationalist nuts. All of them had a common cause against the Shahs who pissed off Islamists with their social moderation, nationalists with their call for rights for foreign born residents, and socialists by allowing foreign own industries in Iran.

They still have no legitimate reason to blame anyone but themselves because other than the Cossack armies in Tehran in the 1920s every change of power in Iran was done by the hands of Iranians.

I'm interesting in how (or whether) you believe the UK\US coup was justified in the '50s.

I don't trouble myself with right or wrong in any of these coups in Iran's long history of coups, I am just here to argue that the current state of Iran is not the result of US intervention as the ahistoric narrative tries to make it. The 1952 coup was not the origin or the catalyst for any of the ills that have befallen Iran over the last 110 years. If anything, the Islamic militant faction was born in the late 1800s when the push within Persia towards modernization led to the 1905 Constitutional revolution and the establishment of an Iranian constitution modeled after the constitution of Belgium which separated Islam and the rule of law by codifying the idea that the Shah's powers were a divine gift granted him by the People, rather than by Allah.

The course from there was set with many factions of many different motives making convenient agreements of the movement in order to grab and hold power. The Islamists were mostly marginalized for decades, however, until the 1950s when Mosaddegh called on them to help resolve a political dispute with the Shah, and they became a player in Iranian politics from there on.
 
That's collateral damage. Not murder.

Indeed, victims of bombings or their relatives always feel better when their deaths are labeled "collateral damage."

If only bin Laden told the US the 3,000 killed in the towers were "collateral damage". That would've made their day :)

The US never took 53 people hostage and held them for 444 days, like the Iranians.

Why you would trash your own country and defend a terrorist state is beyond me.

Difficult to say what's more pathetic--the fact that right wingers still can't tell the difference between attacking one's govt. and attacking one's country,

or the fact their messiah rush hasn't yet explained it to them.
 
No it didn't. As I already pointed out, Mosaddegh was the one that brought Islamists to the political table in Iran.




I never said he was a religious nut, I said he used religious nuts to enforce his political power. He also used socialist nuts and nationalist nuts. All of them had a common cause against the Shahs who pissed off Islamists with their social moderation, nationalists with their call for rights for foreign born residents, and socialists by allowing foreign own industries in Iran.

They still have no legitimate reason to blame anyone but themselves because other than the Cossack armies in Tehran in the 1920s every change of power in Iran was done by the hands of Iranians.



I don't trouble myself with right or wrong in any of these coups in Iran's long history of coups, I am just here to argue that the current state of Iran is not the result of US intervention as the ahistoric narrative tries to make it. The 1952 coup was not the origin or the catalyst for any of the ills that have befallen Iran over the last 110 years. If anything, the Islamic militant faction was born in the late 1800s when the push within Persia towards modernization led to the 1905 Constitutional revolution and the establishment of an Iranian constitution modeled after the constitution of Belgium which separated Islam and the rule of law by codifying the idea that the Shah's powers were a divine gift granted him by the People, rather than by Allah.

The course from there was set with many factions of many different motives making convenient agreements of the movement in order to grab and hold power. The Islamists were mostly marginalized for decades, however, until the 1950s when Mosaddegh called on them to help resolve a political dispute with the Shah, and they became a player in Iranian politics from there on.

Completely and utterly correct.
 
If Israel starts a war with Iran, the USA should stay out of it.

Israel can't start a war w/Iran by itself because it's govt. knows that if it did, it would lose or at best tie (i. e. similar to its war w/Hezbollah 7 years ago).

Then again, Israel has never been able to fight any war by itself (i. e. without leaching off the American taxpayer).
 
LOL !! No, what's EMBARRASSING is your misuse of the word "IRONIC" to describe my "embarrassing" comment.

Irony - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

iro·ny
:the use of words that mean the opposite of what you really think especially in order to be funny..

I was NOT using a opposing metaphor to describe the typical leftist drek I see on this Forum daily. In fact I was pretty direct, therefore my comment was NOT " IRONIC".

You need to understand that not every paradox, coincidence, curiosity and/or oddity qualifies as "ironic"

Honestly, if your'e going to make stuff up why come here ?

Ironic: a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result.

My points still stand and you're grammar is still embarrassing.

Hypocrite works too.
 
Israel can't start a war w/Iran by itself because it's govt. knows that if it did, it would lose or at best tie (i. e. similar to its war w/Hezbollah 7 years ago).

Then again, Israel has never been able to fight any war by itself (i. e. without leaching off the American taxpayer)








Correct, and I am sure that the United States Constitution doesn't obligate the USA to defend Israel or any other nation.
 
Iran would probably give Hezbollah nukes, but only discreetly, and w/the understanding that they're never to be used, except to defend Lebanon from another invasion.

Well as long as Hezbollah promises not to misuse them, can't really see any problem with handing them nuclear weapons.

Yep. That works for me.


My favorite part of these political forums. A chance to gain some great insight...
 
Not if the USA, Russia, and China stay out of it.

It would probably create some major problems in that area, but it wouldn't destroy this planet.

You are probably correct, but not going to happen.
 
Well as long as Hezbollah promises not to misuse them, can't really see any problem with handing them nuclear weapons.

Indeed; it's unlikely Hezbollah would be dumb enough to initiate a war using nukes, since it would mean the end of Lebanon if it did.

Most organizations generally don't like to commit suicide if it can be avoided.

Yep. That works for me.


My favorite part of these political forums. A chance to gain some great insight...

You're welcome. Logic is always difficult for conservatives to grasp, but hopefully, they'll open their minds to it.
 
Well as long as Hezbollah promises not to misuse them, can't really see any problem with handing them nuclear weapons.

Yep. That works for me.


My favorite part of these political forums. A chance to gain some great insight...


Hours later Jerusalem is a smoking crater...

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Well as long as Hezbollah promises not to misuse them, can't really see any problem with handing them nuclear weapons.

Yep. That works for me.


My favorite part of these political forums. A chance to gain some great insight...

Yeah, I really love that one! Whew! As long as they promised, Israel will be safe and sound.
 
Yeah, I really love that one! Whew! As long as they promised, Israel will be safe and sound.

The funny part is all the konservatives who are clueless enough to think that Israel doesn't have nukes to deter any nuclear attack started against it.
 
The funny part is all the konservatives who are clueless enough to think that Israel doesn't have nukes to deter any nuclear attack started against it.

Who says that? I think it is pretty common knowledge that Israel has a nuclear capability. But that isn't the point, you really want to rely on containment as a strategy? You've already conceded that Iran would probably give nukes to the Hezi's, a known, and documented terror organization. That is what we are saying should be prevented for goodness sake.
 
Who says that? I think it is pretty common knowledge that Israel has a nuclear capability. But that isn't the point, you really want to rely on containment as a strategy? You've already conceded that Iran would probably give nukes to the Hezi's, a known, and documented terror organization. That is what we are saying should be prevented for goodness sake.
Why would Iran give a nuke to Hezbollah? Everyone would immediately know it was the Iranians and they would suffer the consequences along with Hezbollah.
 
Israel can't start a war w/Iran by itself because it's govt. knows that if it did, it would lose or at best tie (i. e. similar to its war w/Hezbollah 7 years ago).



send me a postcard when Iran nukes you.. we dont want to be involved..let Europe burn first








Correct, and I am sure that the United States Constitution doesn't obligate the USA to defend Israel or any other nation.

send me a postcard when Iran and Russia nukes you.. we dont want to be involved..let Europe burn first... our constitution says "bye"
 
Why would Iran give a nuke to Hezbollah? Everyone would immediately know it was the Iranians and they would suffer the consequences along with Hezbollah.

Youre posts are devoid of logic and history..
 
Who says that? I think it is pretty common knowledge that Israel has a nuclear capability. But that isn't the point, you really want to rely on containment as a strategy? You've already conceded that Iran would probably give nukes to the Hezi's, a known, and documented terror organization. That is what we are saying should be prevented for goodness sake.

So Hezbollah would want to commit suicide by starting a nuclear war without it or Lebanon first being attacked :rolleyes: ?

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no.. we know the loss of innocent ally lives is not the goal.. unlike you and Obama
 
You talk like Hez is only interested in kiling the Maronites of Lebanon..

you dont understand the Jihad.. and its painful
 
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