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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Believe that statement is a little naive. If Iran has nuclear capability Israel certainly has reason to be concerned. Muslim extremists aren't known for rational thought. And there are "means of delivery" for a bomb that would not need to come from Iranian airspace...
    Iran's leaders may not be nice but they're certainly rational--they tricked President dodo head into attacking Iraq, and as a result, got a whole new Shiite nation under their sphere of influence.

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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Iran on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything' - CNN.com


    Israel was right. It looks like force is the only thing these ****ers respect.
    I predict there's going to be a war eventually.
    Obama either lied to us, or is a fool.


    Obama fed us a bunch of hooey.



    If Israel starts a war with Iran, the USA should stay out of it.

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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Iran would probably give Hezbollah nukes, but only discreetly, and w/the understanding that they're never to be used, except to defend Lebanon from another invasion.
    Invasion by whom?...

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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If Israel starts a war with Iran, the USA should stay out of it.
    I'm not sure anyone could stay out of that one. That would probably be WWIII.
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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If Israel starts a war with Iran, the USA should stay out of it.
    Next time Germany comes blowing threw your town.. dont call us..

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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    So you believe the UK\USA coup was good for Iran, and didn't serve to drive support towards the resistance to that coup? Khomeini was going to have support no matter what, but a coup from the outside could only serve to drive more support his way, by demonstrating that the the outside influences were negative.
    No it didn't. As I already pointed out, Mosaddegh was the one that brought Islamists to the political table in Iran.


    If the West hadn't interfered, they may have been able to make their own decisions. Mohammad Mosaddegh was no wild-eyed religious nut. Iran may have ended up in the same place, but they wouldn't have a legitimate reason to blame anyone but themselves.
    I never said he was a religious nut, I said he used religious nuts to enforce his political power. He also used socialist nuts and nationalist nuts. All of them had a common cause against the Shahs who pissed off Islamists with their social moderation, nationalists with their call for rights for foreign born residents, and socialists by allowing foreign own industries in Iran.

    They still have no legitimate reason to blame anyone but themselves because other than the Cossack armies in Tehran in the 1920s every change of power in Iran was done by the hands of Iranians.

    I'm interesting in how (or whether) you believe the UK\US coup was justified in the '50s.
    I don't trouble myself with right or wrong in any of these coups in Iran's long history of coups, I am just here to argue that the current state of Iran is not the result of US intervention as the ahistoric narrative tries to make it. The 1952 coup was not the origin or the catalyst for any of the ills that have befallen Iran over the last 110 years. If anything, the Islamic militant faction was born in the late 1800s when the push within Persia towards modernization led to the 1905 Constitutional revolution and the establishment of an Iranian constitution modeled after the constitution of Belgium which separated Islam and the rule of law by codifying the idea that the Shah's powers were a divine gift granted him by the People, rather than by Allah.

    The course from there was set with many factions of many different motives making convenient agreements of the movement in order to grab and hold power. The Islamists were mostly marginalized for decades, however, until the 1950s when Mosaddegh called on them to help resolve a political dispute with the Shah, and they became a player in Iranian politics from there on.
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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's collateral damage. Not murder.
    Indeed, victims of bombings or their relatives always feel better when their deaths are labeled "collateral damage."

    If only bin Laden told the US the 3,000 killed in the towers were "collateral damage". That would've made their day

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The US never took 53 people hostage and held them for 444 days, like the Iranians.

    Why you would trash your own country and defend a terrorist state is beyond me.
    Difficult to say what's more pathetic--the fact that right wingers still can't tell the difference between attacking one's govt. and attacking one's country,

    or the fact their messiah rush hasn't yet explained it to them.

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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No it didn't. As I already pointed out, Mosaddegh was the one that brought Islamists to the political table in Iran.




    I never said he was a religious nut, I said he used religious nuts to enforce his political power. He also used socialist nuts and nationalist nuts. All of them had a common cause against the Shahs who pissed off Islamists with their social moderation, nationalists with their call for rights for foreign born residents, and socialists by allowing foreign own industries in Iran.

    They still have no legitimate reason to blame anyone but themselves because other than the Cossack armies in Tehran in the 1920s every change of power in Iran was done by the hands of Iranians.



    I don't trouble myself with right or wrong in any of these coups in Iran's long history of coups, I am just here to argue that the current state of Iran is not the result of US intervention as the ahistoric narrative tries to make it. The 1952 coup was not the origin or the catalyst for any of the ills that have befallen Iran over the last 110 years. If anything, the Islamic militant faction was born in the late 1800s when the push within Persia towards modernization led to the 1905 Constitutional revolution and the establishment of an Iranian constitution modeled after the constitution of Belgium which separated Islam and the rule of law by codifying the idea that the Shah's powers were a divine gift granted him by the People, rather than by Allah.

    The course from there was set with many factions of many different motives making convenient agreements of the movement in order to grab and hold power. The Islamists were mostly marginalized for decades, however, until the 1950s when Mosaddegh called on them to help resolve a political dispute with the Shah, and they became a player in Iranian politics from there on.
    Completely and utterly correct.

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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If Israel starts a war with Iran, the USA should stay out of it.
    Israel can't start a war w/Iran by itself because it's govt. knows that if it did, it would lose or at best tie (i. e. similar to its war w/Hezbollah 7 years ago).

    Then again, Israel has never been able to fight any war by itself (i. e. without leaching off the American taxpayer).

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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'm not sure anyone could stay out of that one. That would probably be WWIII.



    Not if the USA, Russia, and China stay out of it.

    It would probably create some major problems in that area, but it wouldn't destroy this planet.

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