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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Nope. not what I mean, but good try to make the idiot look brilliant!
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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wasn't it you who time traveled back to settlers of this nation, and the early US to highlight our own illegitimacy as a nation? I see, only you can do that right?



    No one is warmongering...It would be nice though if we didn't just drop our pants and lay prostrate in hopes that our enemies will somehow like us...Your contempt of your own nation noted.
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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Still trying to paint peace activists as communists. And diplomacy doesn't mean capitulation except from the person that wants his position, ONLY. When those people have the power to press for, their position only, all other participants suffer. The thing that scares guys like you about a balance of power is the thing that others appreciate about it.

    Wait!!! In last weeks Gallop poll, the world finds the US to be the biggest threat to world peace, and YOU liken Iran to a bully. How do such notions even materialise in your mind. I mean this level of self deceit and denial is prolific in these halls. God damn it, is there ever going to be an end to aggression.
    Oh really? Does that same gallup poll say what the world thinks of Iran getting a nuke? Does that poll say anything to the droves of mistreated women in the ME that you dishonestly ignore while tearing down your own country? Like I said, those who see utopia around the corner if the world would just think like them, are delusional. Utopia is a pipe dream, and this ain't star trek kiddo....Learn something.
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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Again, false. But funny to see you change your argument all the same. The people supported the Shah, not Khomeini. What "legitimized" Khomeini in the eyes of his followers was the Qur'an and Islam. Khomeini and his followers saw granting legal rights to women and non-Muslims to be a threat to Islam. If the coup was the catalyst then why not go back to the Soviet backed coup of 1921? Or the 1905 Constitutional revolution? You conveniently pick the US as the bad guy and ignore history.
    So you believe the UK\USA coup was good for Iran, and didn't serve to drive support towards the resistance to that coup? Khomeini was going to have support no matter what, but a coup from the outside could only serve to drive more support his way, by demonstrating that the the outside influences were negative.


    Hah! If they hadn't been so quick they'd be done by now?
    If the West hadn't interfered, they may have been able to make their own decisions. Mohammad Mosaddegh was no wild-eyed religious nut. Iran may have ended up in the same place, but they wouldn't have a legitimate reason to blame anyone but themselves.


    Tell me again how he was going to modernize the Iranian culture? He was the maniac who introduced the Islamists to strong arm politics in Iran in the first place! In the end Mosaddegh was ultimately responsible for the rise of militant political Islamists in Iran because he made the same mistake that every utopian socialist idealist makes with Islamists... he thought he could control it and harness the militant fervor for his own uses. He was not going to be able to put that jinni back in the bottle, and he would never control it.
    I'm interesting in how (or whether) you believe the UK\US coup was justified in the '50s.

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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Iran on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything' - CNN.com


    Israel was right. It looks like force is the only thing these ****ers respect. I predict there's going to be a war eventually. Obama either lied to us, or is a fool.


    Obama fed us a bunch of hooey.

    This should come as no surprise to even the most casual followers of the rules of diplomacy. What Obama has fallen for here was wholly avoidable if he had ever learned to keep his fool mouth shut. It's a classic blunder that is as old as time. The rule is simple "Never mention what you conceded publicly until it's in writing" done. That is it. Once you admit your concessions openly you have destroyed any chance of a deal getting done.

    Here is how the Iranians have played this:

    1) Agree in principle to a compromise in which you will concede A, B and C while they will concede X, Y and Z
    2) Go back to your country and tell everyone that you got your opponent to concede X, Y and Z
    3) The egotistical Idealist invariably will return home and tell everyone that they got concessions on A, B and C and all it cost was X, Y and Z.
    4) Let this story percolate for a while, let your opponent bask in the accolades of their wonderful compromise.
    5) Now that your opponent is fully invested in the compromise publicly announce that there was some mistake. You never actually conceded A, B and C. All you agreed to was the concession of X, Y and Z.

    At this point the only negotiation that both sides have agreed to publicly is that your opponent will concede X, Y and Z. Your opponent, on the other hand, now has the choice of either conceding X, Y and Z and calling it a day, or admitting that maybe they aren't as great at negotiating as they have been promoted to be, and scrap the very compromise they were praised for just weeks ago.

    (Hint: Politicians never chooses the second option.)

    What makes this sort of funny -- if it weren't so serious -- is that this is how Obama negotiates with Republican leadership all the time. Essentially the Iranians just Boehner-ed Obama.
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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Oh, the America hating left is out today! The bias is horrible.
    It's only ok to criticize the actions of America if you are a republican.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's only ok to criticize the actions of America if you are a republican.
    Nope, you are free to criticize anything, or anyone you want...But realize that people will call it what it is comes with the territory.
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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's only ok to criticize the actions of America if you are a republican.
    Nope. Just try to be slightly accurate, not biased and stupid.
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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    You can't prevent any group (terrorist group) like Hezbollah from getting nuclear material. You can literally bomb Iran into glass and it won't chance the risk Israel still has.
    Iran would probably give Hezbollah nukes, but only discreetly, and w/the understanding that they're never to be used, except to defend Lebanon from another invasion.

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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E Buster View Post
    Lemme splain...

    The bolded part is embarrassingly ironic.

    The spelling fails are just plain embarrassing. Especially when going for the condescending tone.


    LOL !! No, what's EMBARRASSING is your misuse of the word "IRONIC" to describe my "embarrassing" comment.

    Irony - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    iro·ny
    :the use of words that mean the opposite of what you really think especially in order to be funny..

    I was NOT using a opposing metaphor to describe the typical leftist drek I see on this Forum daily. In fact I was pretty direct, therefore my comment was NOT " IRONIC".

    You need to understand that not every paradox, coincidence, curiosity and/or oddity qualifies as "ironic"

    Honestly, if your'e going to make stuff up why come here ?
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