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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

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    66k people from 65 countries do not the world make.

    What was the poll about and how were you using it. That's what I meant by relevance - I didn't actually look at it except in passing, so I have no idea whether it actually was or not.

    Stop assuming I'm saying **** that I'm not.
    So you didn't even look at it and your dismissing it. Wow, OK!
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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

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    Probably just him appeasing hard line people in Iran.

    Nope, this is a very common gambit in international politics when one of the sides is a complete moron. You agree to a deal with your moronic opponent, let them invest political capital at home selling themselves as a great diplomat, and then claim that they misunderstood your half of the deal. At that point the only thing that you have publicly agreed to that your opponent admits to is their half of the bargain. TA DA!! You win, get what you want, and don't have to do anything i return because your moronic opponent is now more married to their half of the deal publicly and would have to dispell the illusion of their own diplomatic grandeur in order to fix it.

    This scheme is as old as dirt and only works on diplomats who are as dumb as dirt. Lucky for Iran the US has a moron for a President and an idiot as Secretary of State.
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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Nope, this is a very common gambit in international politics when one of the sides is a complete moron. You agree to a deal with your moronic opponent, let them invest political capital at home selling themselves as a great diplomat, and then claim that they misunderstood your half of the deal. At that point the only thing that you have publicly agreed to that your opponent admits to is their half of the bargain. TA DA!! You win, get what you want, and don't have to do anything i return because your moronic opponent is now more married to their half of the deal publicly and would have to dispell the illusion of their own diplomatic grandeur in order to fix it.

    This scheme is as old as dirt and only works on diplomats who are as dumb as dirt. Lucky for Iran the US has a moron for a President and an idiot as Secretary of State.
    I liked this because it's true. Problem is I think Obama and Kerry know the deal didn't include dismantle which is why we've only seen "outlines" presented to Congress and the full agreement hasn't been released. Iran isn't stupid, they know they have Obama and Kerry caught red handed. Just like they did with Jimmy Carter.
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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So you didn't even look at it and your dismissing it. Wow, OK!
    What did I say about not assuming I'm saying **** that I'm not?
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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

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    That's your defense for targeting civilians? Interesting.
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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    What did I say about not assuming I'm saying **** that I'm not?
    What's to assume? Your the one that said you didn't actually look at it. And I understand why, it doesn't have a happy ending.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    What did I say about not assuming I'm saying **** that I'm not?
    It appeared you were dismissive of the targeting of civilians because it wasn't modern times. Not sure why that would matter.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

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    What did I say about not assuming I'm saying **** that I'm not?
    That doesn't work, we've all tried. You'll just get annoyed.

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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What's to assume? Your the one that said you didn't actually look at it. And I understand why, it doesn't have a happy ending.
    I said I didn't actually look at it.

    I said nothing about dismissing it, or any presumptions on my part about something I hadn't seen.

    You assumed all that.
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    Re: Iranian official on nuke deal: 'We did not agree to dismantle anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Probably just him appeasing hard line people in Iran.
    That is possible. It's also possible it isn't. The same logic that would lead us to believe he is appeasing his conservative constituency could lead us to believe that he's been forced to renege on parts of the deal by that powerful constituency. Or something else entirely. The uncertainty from the Iranian side is the core source of tension in this deal. It's why it is so fragile. I'm still hopeful but I think because of the lack of trust (justifiable) Iran has little room to maneuver and any deviations will sink the deal completely.

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