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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    more so than you
    Libertarian position on drugs.
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It causes brain damage in children. It does this by blocking connections as the brain continues to grow.

    [url=http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120827152039.htm]Adolescent pot use leaves lasting mental deficits; Developing brain susceptible to lasting damage from exposure to marijuana
    Pot smoking may leave mark on teen brains
    Heavy marijuana use may damage developing brain in teens, young adults

    You'll note that not one of those is from a government source.

    Smoking ANYTHING will damage lungs. Doesn't matter if its MJ, Tobacco, or seaweed (a very nutritous marine plant). Lungs are not designed to handle smoke period. Thats why firemen wear oxygen tanks in burning buildings. The addition of carcinigens that is in MJ and tobacco makes this damage even worse. As for it causing "less damage". Common sense question here....if smoked MJ has 300 more deadly carcinigens than tobacco then how can it cause less damage?

    There isn't one single real bonafide doctor that will prescribe marijuana in joint form. They all agree that it is harmful if smoked. That is why doctors, when prescribing marijuana, will precribe it in either pill form or in an inhaler where it is sprayed into the body in mist form. Not smoked. This is something that a lot of pro-marijuana folks love to ignore and skip over when they make the type of arguement that you just made here.
    First, there are not 300 deadly carcinogens in marijuana, period. There's not even one deadly carcinogen in marijuana. If there were, we would be stacking bodies to the roof like we are with smokers, and there would be no shortage of studies and statistics showing this is true. The DEA would be screaming the statistics from the rooftops. As of now, the body count for marijuana still sits around zero.

    Second, a doctor doesn't prescribe the form of cannabis, he prescribes the cannabis and you can decide how to consume it yourself. You could smoke it, vaporize it, bake it, eat a lollipop, etc. etc. It doesn't have to be smoked.

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    more so than you
    Ha! You want the government to lock people in cages for consuming a plant. You are the furthest thing from a libertarian, stop embarrassing us by wearing that lean.
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    I would have used this one...but yours had more explanation.

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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    First, there are not 300 deadly carcinogens in marijuana, period. There's not even one deadly carcinogen in marijuana. If there were, we would be stacking bodies to the roof like we are with smokers, and there would be no shortage of studies and statistics showing this is true. The DEA would be screaming the statistics from the rooftops. As of now, the body count for marijuana still sits around zero.
    Pot Smoke: Less Carcinogenic Than Tobacco?

    Oct. 17, 2005 -- Although tobacco smoke and marijuana smoke are chemically very similar, a new report argues that their cancer-causing effects may be very different.

    Both tobacco and cannabis smoke contain the same cancer-causing compounds (carcinogens). Depending on what part of the plant is smoked, marijuana can contain more of these harmful ingredients
    I may have been wrong about the 300. But you are wrong in that it doesn't have any deadly carcinogens.

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    Second, a doctor doesn't prescribe the form of cannabis, he prescribes the cannabis and you can decide how to consume it yourself. You could smoke it, vaporize it, bake it, eat a lollipop, etc. etc. It doesn't have to be smoked.
    A doctor letting the patient decide how to take medicine so freely? Remind me not to go to your doctor! A real doctor might let you choose the brand, but not the method of delivery unless both methods were equally as good. It is quite evident that a vaporizer would be a much healthier way of getting your high as you don't get the same chemicals that that are in MJ as in Tobacco. Such as tar, cyanide etc etc.
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Pot Smoke: Less Carcinogenic Than Tobacco?



    I may have been wrong about the 300. But you are wrong in that it doesn't have any deadly carcinogens.



    A doctor letting the patient decide how to take medicine so freely? Remind me not to go to your doctor! A real doctor might let you choose the brand, but not the method of delivery unless both methods were equally as good. It is quite evident that a vaporizer would be a much healthier way of getting your high as you don't get the same chemicals that that are in MJ as in Tobacco. Such as tar, cyanide etc etc.
    It says harmful, not deadly, and that's only if it's smoked. You've yet to produce any evidence whatsoever that anyone in the history of mankind has ever gotten cancer from marijuana, much less more than tobacco. Don't you think we would be seeing a LOT of government sponsored studies showing how so many potsmokers are dying? Where is all that?
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    and damn just a few lines in "does not infringe on another" exactly what I posted early in this thread. Your failure to read is not on me, but on you. Are you sure you aren't a progressive?

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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

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    and damn just a few lines in "does not infringe on another" exactly what I posted early in this thread. Your failure to read is not on me, but on you. Are you sure you aren't a progressive?
    And nobody else is disagreeing with you. we've all stated it's a CRIME and should be treated as a CRIME if you harm someone. All we are doing is pointing out the reason why your so uptight about it is you are to ignorant to see legal drugs cause the same issues. That smoking pot at home should be your choice but once you drive under the influence it should be a crime. You are just too.... I should stop I don't want another infraction because someone is an ........
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    And nobody else is disagreeing with you. we've all stated it's a CRIME and should be treated as a CRIME if you harm someone. All we are doing is pointing out the reason why your so uptight about it is you are to ignorant to see legal drugs cause the same issues. That smoking pot at home should be your choice but once you drive under the influence it should be a crime. You are just too.... I should stop I don't want another infraction because someone is an ........
    because that is crap. I can take an Allegra D and I am not going to kill the laborer on the forklift. Many of the other prescribed drugs you mention tell you to keep your ass at home and not behind the wheel of car, if you ignore, you could go to jail. Again apples and oranges.

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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    because that is crap. I can take an Allegra D and I am not going to kill the laborer on the forklift. Many of the other prescribed drugs you mention tell you to keep your ass at home and not behind the wheel of car, if you ignore, you could go to jail. Again apples and oranges.
    Oh, because it tells you means people listen? Get real. Allegra D is an over the counter medication which actually does have side effects with low risk so no warnings are given. Allegra D is also a stimulant which is a major difference so apples and oranges on your part not mine. Alcohol a LEGAL over the counter drug which causes the same type effects on the body as THC. That would be apples to apples. But you can't win that argument so you have to move the goal posts to an over the counter med (Allegra D) which is stimulant and not a depressant. Zyrtec, Claritin or Benadryl are depressants which have the same effects as Alcohol/THC and are all SOLD over the counter.

    Just admit you are wrong.. I don't have the time to waste arguing with a parrot who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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