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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Interesting that you would say this when having previously used a .gov link for proof of "an example of quality research that has established causality."
    I don't think it is interesting at all. Cannabis continues to be classified as a schedule 1 drug while government funded research on the matter is entirely based on negative effects. All the while, privately funded research has ascertained a plethora of medical uses for the substance.

    Alcohol on the other hand is not a schedule 1 drug, and has been shown to cause more than 40,000 deaths annually, contribute to birth defects, and permanent loss of brain function.
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    but they do not track people that were high a killed someone else while driving or operating machinery.
    Umm, yeah they track that just the way the track drunk drivers.
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Umm, yeah they track that just the way the track drunk drivers.
    which is a small percentage of all the accidents in the US. Abstractions are silly asssertions.

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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    I don't think it is interesting at all. Cannabis continues to be classified as a schedule 1 drug while government funded research on the matter is entirely based on negative effects. All the while, privately funded research has ascertained a plethora of medical uses for the substance.

    Alcohol on the other hand is not a schedule 1 drug, and has been shown to cause more than 40,000 deaths annually, contribute to birth defects, and permanent loss of brain function.
    I would be interested to see what would happen if marijuana use was governed by the same rules that govern alcohol use.

    Of course in PA that would mean state-owned pot stores for the high-grade stuff...

    But in general it would be interesting to see which caused more problems out of the two.
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    we are done, your personal attacks are like babysitting. no thank you
    Didnt see any attacks there...just asking you to support your claim.

    But you cant...so now we're done
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson View Post
    My Co-workers wife has lung cancer at 38, and she never smoked either.
    as scientists are finding out,smoking doesnt cause lung cancer,it aggrevates it,meaning it brings it about much quicker,and for alot of people thats generally bad.however many people can get lung cancer without smoking,liver cancer without drinking etc.


    heck exhaust fumes can cause lung cancer,yet it is impossible to escape it in todays world
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    which is a small percentage of all the accidents in the US. Abstractions are silly asssertions.
    I never made an assertion. 31% of all traffic deaths are due to drunk driving, roughly 10,000 a year. But all I was saying is that data is collected. I am not advocating for allow people under the influence of THC be allowed to drive. My position is the same stance that we use for Alcohol. We already have laws that say if you are suspected to being under the influence of THC you must submit to a sobriety test which would be a blood test which ironically is already mandated for a person who refuses a breathalyzer when it comes to Alcohol. What is even more ironic there is actually a Marijuana breathalyzer being used now.

    So we have the ability to test Alcohol usage and Marijuana equally.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It causes brain damage in children. It does this by blocking connections as the brain continues to grow.

    [url=http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120827152039.htm]Adolescent pot use leaves lasting mental deficits; Developing brain susceptible to lasting damage from exposure to marijuana
    Pot smoking may leave mark on teen brains
    Heavy marijuana use may damage developing brain in teens, young adults

    You'll note that not one of those is from a government source.



    Smoking ANYTHING will damage lungs. Doesn't matter if its MJ, Tobacco, or seaweed (a very nutritous marine plant). Lungs are not designed to handle smoke period. Thats why firemen wear oxygen tanks in burning buildings. The addition of carcinigens that is in MJ and tobacco makes this damage even worse. As for it causing "less damage". Common sense question here....if smoked MJ has 300 more deadly carcinigens than tobacco then how can it cause less damage?



    There isn't one single real bonafide doctor that will prescribe marijuana in joint form. They all agree that it is harmful if smoked. That is why doctors, when prescribing marijuana, will precribe it in either pill form or in an inhaler where it is sprayed into the body in mist form. Not smoked. This is something that a lot of pro-marijuana folks love to ignore and skip over when they make the type of arguement that you just made here.[/QUOTE]

    for number,i forgot about that study,but if i remember correctly affects prepubescent kids the most,while having lessening effects until the brain fully developes,but then again booze at 21 causes the same as the brain hasnt fully developed yet.but i would argue its fine within adults within the same range as alchahol.


    for second i already said it had carcineragins,it does heavily affect breathing,but overall has less longterm affects than cigarrettes even though short term is greater.


    last,i agree smoking anything is harmfull to a degree,its kinda like the regular vs lite cigarettes,the lite cigarettes are less harnfull,but not healthy and still carry the same risks.but with the overall risks,the benefits are high,most specifically for cancer patients,as it can be a strong painkiller,increase appetite,and has been shown to kill cancer cells,which combined with chemo in no way cures cancer by a longshot,but helps slow its progression.
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Didnt see any attacks there...just asking you to support your claim.

    But you cant...so now we're done
    we were done after your snide comments with no substance

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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    I never made an assertion. 31% of all traffic deaths are due to drunk driving, roughly 10,000 a year. But all I was saying is that data is collected. I am not advocating for allow people under the influence of THC be allowed to drive. My position is the same stance that we use for Alcohol. We already have laws that say if you are suspected to being under the influence of THC you must submit to a sobriety test which would be a blood test which ironically is already mandated for a person who refuses a breathalyzer when it comes to Alcohol. What is even more ironic there is actually a Marijuana breathalyzer being used now.

    So we have the ability to test Alcohol usage and Marijuana equally.
    we need a machine that reads hair sample, a joint two hours earlier will not register on that machine you speak of. Until detection is equal legalization should be suppressed.

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