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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana [W

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I already know all that. For what has to be the third ****ing time, I don't have an issue with pot, my issue is with the smoking part of it. That is all
    Then don't smoke it. Do any of the other 100 ways to consume it. That simple.

    I like to use a bong, and in the course of 6 months of heavy smoking, I filled 1 small ashtray with ashes. A cigarette smoker would do that in a week. Cannabis is substantially more potent so you need substantially less plant matter.
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    first mj doesnt cause brain damage,this was debunked in the seventies,it does cause short term memory loss but thats temporary not permanent,might as well scream that the earth is flat because white house geologists say so.
    It causes brain damage in children. It does this by blocking connections as the brain continues to grow.

    [url=http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120827152039.htm]Adolescent pot use leaves lasting mental deficits; Developing brain susceptible to lasting damage from exposure to marijuana[/quote]
    Pot smoking may leave mark on teen brains
    Heavy marijuana use may damage developing brain in teens, young adults

    You'll note that not one of those is from a government source.

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    second yes marijuana does have more carcineragens when smoked,but overall have been shown to affect lung capacity mostly,but less damage than cigarettes.
    Smoking ANYTHING will damage lungs. Doesn't matter if its MJ, Tobacco, or seaweed (a very nutritous marine plant). Lungs are not designed to handle smoke period. Thats why firemen wear oxygen tanks in burning buildings. The addition of carcinigens that is in MJ and tobacco makes this damage even worse. As for it causing "less damage". Common sense question here....if smoked MJ has 300 more deadly carcinigens than tobacco then how can it cause less damage?

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    further mj has been shown to kill cancer cells,it doesnt cure it by any means,but a pain killer,that cures loss of appetite from chemo,and slows the progression of cancer beyond chemo,sounds nlike a wonder drug to me,rather than prescription drugs that cause more problems than they fix.
    There isn't one single real bonafide doctor that will prescribe marijuana in joint form. They all agree that it is harmful if smoked. That is why doctors, when prescribing marijuana, will precribe it in either pill form or in an inhaler where it is sprayed into the body in mist form. Not smoked. This is something that a lot of pro-marijuana folks love to ignore and skip over when they make the type of arguement that you just made here.
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It causes brain damage in children. It does this by blocking connections as the brain continues to grow.
    Did you not read your own sources?

    Ashtari added that the findings are preliminary. Among other limitations of the study, such as a small sample size, five of the 14 subjects with heavy cannabis use also had a history of alcohol abuse, which may have contributed an effect. Also, it is possible that the brain abnormalities may have predisposed the subjects to drug dependence, rather than drug usage causing the brain abnormalities.
    But Meier and her colleagues weren't able to entirely rule out alternative explanations for the IQ declines seen in the study. For instance, although they controlled for alcohol and drug use, they focused on full-blown dependence (as opposed to more casual use) and therefore may have underestimated the effects of teen drinking.
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana [W

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    OK, I was just trying to clarify MY statement that I dont believe many more people will end up using pot (after an initial surge to try it). If your job doesnt have alcohol or drug restrictions in your employee contract now (I just assumed it since you have a security clearance) then you can do anything you want when it's legalized.
    It has restrictions on coming to work intoxicated.

    It has restrictions on taking federally illegal substances.

    It has nothing about taking legal substances during my off time and not coming to work impaired.

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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    Did you not read your own sources?
    Show me one single study that takes into account every single little thing and doesn't have caveats.
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Show me one single study that takes into account every single little thing and doesn't have caveats.
    Some research is stronger than others. Part of the difficulty in deriving causality with clinical research is controlling for other factors. Both articles (note you didn't bother sourcing the actual papers) made distinct references to alcohol, which has been shown to have negative effects on the brain. As a result,this research should not be used to support deterministic statements such as:

    It causes brain damage in children
    Because causality certainly has not been established.

    Here
    is an example of quality research that has established causality.

    Children prenatally exposed to alcohol can suffer from serious cognitive deficits and behavioral problems as well as from alcohol-related changes in brain structure. Neuropsychological studies have identified deficits in learning and memory as well as in executive functioning both in children with fetal alcohol syndrome and in children with less severe impairments. Both groups of children also exhibit problem behaviors, such as alcohol and drug use, hyperactivity, impulsivity, and poor socialization and communication skills. Brain imaging studies have identified structural changes in various brain regions of these children including the basal ganglia, corpus callosum, cerebellum, and hippocampus that may account for the cognitive deficits. Functional brain imaging studies also have detected changes in alcohol-exposed children indicative of deficits in information processing and memory tasks.
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    Some research is stronger than others. Part of the difficulty in deriving causality with clinical research is controlling for other factors. Both articles (note you didn't bother sourcing the actual papers) made distinct references to alcohol, which has been shown to have negative effects on the brain. As a result,this research should not be used to support deterministic statements such as:
    Did you read the one from the sciencedaily.com? I know I messed up the link however according to it...

    The decline in IQ among persistent cannabis users could not be explained by alcohol or other drug use or by having less education, Moffitt said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It has restrictions on coming to work intoxicated.

    It has restrictions on taking federally illegal substances.

    It has nothing about taking legal substances during my off time and not coming to work impaired.
    Interesting. I'm not familiar with all fields or industries of course but the ones I do know do put it in employee contracts regarding not coming to work impaired.

    Some do/did testing to check that but most just did it pre-hire.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Did you read the one from the sciencedaily.com? I know I messed up the link however according to it...
    Sounds like a BS source since IQ has nothing to do with education.

    We know alcohol abuse destroys brain cells, wouldnt surprise me that abuse of a hallucinogen did so as well. And that line probably varies per individual.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Sounds like a BS source since IQ has nothing to do with education.
    IQ affects your ability to learn. The higher the IQ the easier to learn. The lower the IQ the harder. Hence the reason why those with lower a IQ have a tendency to be poorer and less educated than those with a higher IQ.
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