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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Even if marijuana smoke was as bad for your lungs as cigarette smoke, and I don't believe it is, why does that mean it should be illegal? Should we make cigarettes illegal? Should we make alcohol illegal? Even if your answer to those questions is yes, making things that millions of people want to have access to illegal does nothing but empower the black market. Look to prohibition and the absolute failure of the drug war. Making these things illegal does not fix the problem; it makes the problem worse, because you're giving criminals a means of making money. The only reasonable thing to do is make it legal and regulate it.
    I didn't say anything about that meaning it should be illegal.

    I only said that the smoke issues were my main problem with marijuana.
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana [W

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Really? Have you tried pot?

    I have and it didnt have that affect on me...'a motivational' or whatever that is. And hey...I didnt get addicted!

    So legalizing it wont lead to a increase in the amount of chronic users ? Legalizing it wont lead to a increase in the amount of young people becoming chronic users ?
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana [W

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A person can smoke some of a joint and still stay mentally sharp and not have long term effects to their intellectual capabilities so I don't know the point you're trying to make here other than your pushing propaganda to support you big government desires

    WRONG !!

    Unbelievable. Wow, your'e really going overboard with your justifications now. ( You actually went full on left field when you compared marijuana to "SODA" )

    Your'e telling me that a group of kids after smoking a joint, EACH, will test the same as a group of kids who never smoked weed in their life ?

    It's called "dope" for a reason.
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth — White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana [W

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No, the effects of pot and alcohol are different.

    Why I have to tell YOU that is any ones guess.

    You folks seem to place your entire argument on those distinctions.

    I can drink 1 or two Scotch and waters ( Dewars White Label Please ) and still remain mentally sharp and with little to no long term effects on my motivation or my intellectual capabillities.

    Marijuana's effects are ultimately A-motivational. Stupifying and addicting.

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    Really? Have you actually tried weed, or are you just repeating rhetoric you've heard? I smoke most nights and I have a great job, great family, great home, and am happy and fulfilled in my life.

    Also, I can smoke .01 grams, .1 grams, 1 gram, 10 grams, etc, just like you can select how much you poor into your scotch glass. Alcohol makes me dehydrated, have a headache, and makes my liver physically hurt. Weed just makes me relaxed and feel great, and I'm willing to bet I'm still dramatically better at math while stoned than you are sober.

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    Aren't libertarians the one's that advocate for minimal government intrusion? Are they the ones the generally advocate that the nation's drug war is a lost cause? So much for the theory that libertarian is just a conservative that wants to get laid and smoke dope....
    Rocketman is NOT a libertarian. He does not even remotely resemble one, he's a statist who clicked "libertarian" from the dropbox.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    My main issue with weed is that smoking it is nearly or perhaps more harmful than smoking tobacco, due to various chemicals (although not the THC (sp?)).
    There are no harmful chemicals. If you'd like to make an accusation, please be specific. THC is not dangerous, nor are the Cannabinoids, which occur naturally in the body.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I didn't say anything about that meaning it should be illegal.

    I only said that the smoke issues were my main problem with marijuana.
    Then don't hang around stoners. Seems like an extremely easy solution to a fabricated problem.
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana [W

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Really? Have you actually tried weed, or are you just repeating rhetoric you've heard? I smoke most nights and I have a great job, great family, great home, and am happy and fulfilled in my life.

    Also, I can smoke .01 grams, .1 grams, 1 gram, 10 grams, etc, just like you can select how much you poor into your scotch glass. Alcohol makes me dehydrated, have a headache, and makes my liver physically hurt. Weed just makes me relaxed and feel great, and I'm willing to bet I'm still dramatically better at math while stoned than you are sober.



    Rocketman is NOT a libertarian. He does not even remotely resemble one, he's a statist who clicked "libertarian" from the dropbox.



    There are no harmful chemicals. If you'd like to make an accusation, please be specific. THC is not dangerous, nor are the Cannabinoids, which occur naturally in the body.



    Then don't hang around stoners. Seems like an extremely easy solution to a fabricated problem.

    Hi Alpaca.....

    I will concede that there are exceptional people out there that can smoke weed daily and still function. Even maintain a level of ambition that allows them to grow professionally and personally, but again, they are the exception.

    Since we've discussed this issue before and I do respect your opinion on this issue and a variety of others I'll try to keep this brief.

    I'm not concerned about the small amount of people that can control their habit and still function, my concern is that the legalization of marijuana will lead to a devolution of the SAME society that I have to raise my family in. A society dumbed down by a pretty potent chemical that's had it's stigma removed by a bunch of dishonest pro-legalization narratives.

    It's a bit hyperbolic and "it's" also a hilarious movie, but THIS, in some variation, is what I think the legalization of marijuana will eventually lead to ...

    Check out " President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho "....LOL !!
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana [W

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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana [W

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    So legalizing it wont lead to a increase in the amount of chronic users ? Legalizing it wont lead to a increase in the amount of young people becoming chronic users ?
    That's the price of freedom. Did legalizing alcohol increase the amount of chronic users? Yes. Did legalizing it lead to an increase in the amount of young people becoming users? Yes.

    Again, it makes NO sense to make pot illegal while keeping alcohol legal.

    You just want to apply draconian authoritarian measures against weed because you don't like it and you like alcohol.
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana [W

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    That's the price of freedom. Did legalizing alcohol increase the amount of chronic users? Yes. Did legalizing it lead to an increase in the amount of young people becoming users? Yes.

    Again, it makes NO sense to make pot illegal while keeping alcohol legal.

    You just want to apply draconian authoritarian measures against alcohol because you don't like it and you like alcohol.

    Wow....are not Pot and Alcohol DIFFERENT ? DISTINCT ? IS THIS NOT THE ONE POINT PRO-LEGALIZATION PEOPLE CONSISTENTLY HARP ON ?

    Plus, pot is illegal IN 48 States and Federally. It's not an issue of "FREEDOM".

    Why are you arguing for the mass implementation of a additional societal crutch ? Justifying away the cumulative drop in IQ that legalization will no doubt lead to ?

    After Obama's re-election I didn't think Americans could get any stupider, but I may be wrong.

    You need to realize first, that the only reasons States are "legalizing " it is due to budget constraints, THAT'S ALL.
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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana [W

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Wow....are not Pot and Alcohol DIFFERENT ? DISTINCT ? IS THIS NOT THE ONE POINT PRO-LEGALIZATION PEOPLE CONSISTENTLY HARP ON ?

    Plus, pot is illegal IN 48 States and Federally. It's not an issue of "FREEDOM".

    Why are you arguing for the mass implementation of a additional societal crutch ? Justifying away the cumulative drop in IQ that legalization will no doubt lead to ?

    After Obama's re-election I didn't think Americans could get any stupider, but I may be wrong.

    You need to realize first, that the only reasons States are "legalizing " it is due to budget constraints, THAT'S ALL.
    Yet again your displayed ignorance on pot shows more about you than me. Prolonged abuse of alcohol is ALSO shown to cause lower IQ in teens as well. That is why it is an adult substance., The fact it is illegal in 48 states is NOT a reason for it to be illegal.

    Seems you like YOUR substance and don't want to allow the freedom for others to enjoy their substance. Your authoritarianism is quite clear for all to see and is quite anti-American in nature.

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    Re: ISTOOK: The blunt truth White house drug czar contradicts Obama on marijuana [W

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post

    Hi Alpaca.....

    I will concede that there are exceptional people out there that can smoke weed daily and still function. Even maintain a level of ambition that allows them to grow professionally and personally, but again, they are the exception.

    Since we've discussed this issue before and I do respect your opinion on this issue and a variety of others I'll try to keep this brief.

    I'm not concerned about the small amount of people that can control their habit and still function, my concern is that the legalization of marijuana will lead to a devolution of the SAME society that I have to raise my family in. A society dumbed down by a pretty potent chemical that's had it's stigma removed by a bunch of dishonest pro-legalization narratives.

    It's a bit hyperbolic and "it's" also a hilarious movie, but THIS, in some variation, is what I think the legalization of marijuana will eventually lead to ...

    Check out " President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho "....LOL !!
    First and foremost, my experience is not the exception, but rather the rule. A few statistics for you:
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    95,916,972 American adults have used marijuana
    22,003,805 American adults have used marijuana this year
    8,120,045 American adults have likely used marijuana today

    22 million American adults have used Marijuana this year. That's 7% of the population, meaning statistically, one of your friends or family members, if not more than one, smoke on a semi-regular or regular basis, and you have no idea about it.

    Most smokers are like me, we do it in the privacy of our homes, and we keep quiet about it. We have to, because we'll be fired and judged for it. You would never suspect I smoked if you met me in real life. I'm a high stress, motivated engineer that works in electronics research. I use my brain all day long to its fullest potential, and at night I want to calm it down and relax.

    You're trying to fit 22 million people into a stereotype that you can throw stones at. Only a small portion of people ever get arrested for cannabis, and when they do, it's usually only for having cannabis, and not for their actions on it. You think that everyone who smokes has no motivation and is a criminal, because all you see is the criminals. You don't see the other 98% of the smokers who mind their own business, keep to themselves about it, and subsequently don't get caught.

    Do you have no respect for liberty? Do you want the government to be so powerful that they can control what we can and can not put into our own bodies? Whether you want to smoke or not is your decision, but why you would want to make criminals out of 96 million Americans that have harmed nobody blows my mind altogether.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You need to realize first, that the only reasons States are "legalizing " it is due to budget constraints, THAT'S ALL.
    This is completely incorrect. Most of the medical marijuana initiatives, and both of the legalization initiatives in CO and WA were citizen ballots. That means the CITIZENS of those states decided as a majority to legalize. The CO governer openly and vehemently disagrees with legalization, but he respected the will of the people. Do you respect democracy and the will of the people, or do you want to override them to push your agenda?
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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