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    Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Some people really don't understand the word "discrimination"

    Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Opponents: Measure could allow discrimination

    Senate Bill 1062, pushed by the conservative advocacy group Center for Arizona Policy and introduced by Sen. Steve Yarbrough, R-Chandler, would allow individuals to use religious beliefs as a defense in a lawsuit filed by another individual.

    Specifically, the bill proposes to:

    - Expand the state’s definition of the exercise of religion to include both the practice and observance of religion;

    - Expand those protected under the state’s free exercise of religion law to “any individual, association, partnership, corporation, church, religious assembly or institution, estate, trust, foundation or other legal entity.”

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    Yarbrough called the bill a “modest clarification” of the state’s existing religious-freedom law.

    “Prohibited discrimination remains prohibited,” he said. “In no way does this bill allow discrimination of any kind.”
    Why wouldn't refusal to hire a gay person simply because of that person's sexual orientation be discrimination?

    What if the employer thinks unmarried pregnant women should be shunned, not be allowed to work for him/her? Isn't that discrimination?

    White supremacists often use the Bible to justify their racism. This proposed law would allow a member of the Aryan Nation cult to refuse entry into his business, refusal to rent to those he considers inferior beings, etc. Like I posted at the beginning, there are some people who really don't understand the meaning of "discrimination"
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    This bill is rather ridiculous.
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Some people really don't understand the word "discrimination"



    Why wouldn't refusal to hire a gay person simply because of that person's sexual orientation be discrimination?

    What if the employer thinks unmarried pregnant women should be shunned, not be allowed to work for him/her? Isn't that discrimination?

    White supremacists often use the Bible to justify their racism. This proposed law would allow a member of the Aryan Nation cult to refuse entry into his business, refusal to rent to those he considers inferior beings, etc. Like I posted at the beginning, there are some people who really don't understand the meaning of "discrimination"
    Why would gays want to belong to an organisation which thought they were bad people? You don't see many blacks signing up for the KKK. I just don't get. Gays, stop beating this dead horse. It's their tree house they can hang a "no X allowed" sign if they want. Don't like it, don't go there, I know I won't and I'm not gay. No problem.

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Some people really don't understand the word "discrimination"



    Why wouldn't refusal to hire a gay person simply because of that person's sexual orientation be discrimination?

    What if the employer thinks unmarried pregnant women should be shunned, not be allowed to work for him/her? Isn't that discrimination?

    White supremacists often use the Bible to justify their racism. This proposed law would allow a member of the Aryan Nation cult to refuse entry into his business, refusal to rent to those he considers inferior beings, etc. Like I posted at the beginning, there are some people who really don't understand the meaning of "discrimination"
    Always straight to the most ridiculous comparison with you guys isn't it? Anywho, I suppose we should sue the Amish people too, right? Just drag their arses into court for discrimination.
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Always straight to the most ridiculous comparison with you guys isn't it? Anywho, I suppose we should sue the Amish people too, right? Just drag their arses into court for discrimination.

    OK - let us then go with instances that have actually occurred in various locales around the country. Actual happenings where a religious fanatic with a public business refused to serve others because their "religious" beliefs were offended. Under the Arizona law as proposed, all of these cases of discrimination would be legal in Arizona.

    Sweet Cakes' refusal of same-sex wedding order found to violate customers' rights: Readers weigh in | OregonLive.com

    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...e-beliefs.html

    LifeSiteNews Mobile | Judge Rules Christian facility cannot ban same-sex civil union ceremony on its own premises

    Atheist group claims civil rights victory over Rochester Hills country club | MLive.com

    No idea what you are saying with your comment about the Amish, but some Amish in Kentucky did spend a few days in jail for a really silly reason - Religious Discrimination? 8 Amish Men Jailed After Refusal to Post Safety Signs on Buggies | Video | TheBlaze.com

    doing the Google, I did find a case of an Amish-owned company losing a discrimination suit. The company tried to argue that being “non-Amish” is not a protected category under Title VII; one must be discriminated against because of one’s religion—not one’s non-religion. The court rejected this argument. - Document 16 :: McIntire v. Keystone RV Company :: 3:2010cv00508 :: Indiana Northern District Court :: US Federal District Courts Cases :: Justia
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    OK - let us then go with instances that have actually occurred in various locales around the country. Actual happenings where a religious fanatic with a public business refused to serve others because their "religious" beliefs were offended. Under the Arizona law as proposed, all of these cases of discrimination would be legal in Arizona.

    Sweet Cakes' refusal of same-sex wedding order found to violate customers' rights: Readers weigh in | OregonLive.com

    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...e-beliefs.html

    LifeSiteNews Mobile | Judge Rules Christian facility cannot ban same-sex civil union ceremony on its own premises

    Atheist group claims civil rights victory over Rochester Hills country club | MLive.com

    No idea what you are saying with your comment about the Amish, but some Amish in Kentucky did spend a few days in jail for a really silly reason - Religious Discrimination? 8 Amish Men Jailed After Refusal to Post Safety Signs on Buggies | Video | TheBlaze.com

    doing the Google, I did find a case of an Amish-owned company losing a discrimination suit. The company tried to argue that being “non-Amish” is not a protected category under Title VII; one must be discriminated against because of one’s religion—not one’s non-religion. The court rejected this argument. - Document 16 :: McIntire v. Keystone RV Company :: 3:2010cv00508 :: Indiana Northern District Court :: US Federal District Courts Cases :: Justia
    UGH.....I am really tired of gay noise....Just get married already and leave the rest of us alone....As for the Atheist....They settled a case and they are dancing in the streets...Big deal. The Amish in KY, yeah, don't get why they refused but ok....And the final Amish story, of a guy suing over losing his job, I think KeystoneRV made the wrong case...Instead of trying to argue title VII they should have just dismissed out of hand any sort of discrimination, and stuck with the reason he was fired....Safety....Once they entertained the dismissed employee's claim, they gave it credit....Poor attorney's.
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    UGH.....I am really tired of gay noise....Just get married already and leave the rest of us alone....As for the Atheist....They settled a case and they are dancing in the streets...Big deal. The Amish in KY, yeah, don't get why they refused but ok....And the final Amish story, of a guy suing over losing his job, I think KeystoneRV made the wrong case...Instead of trying to argue title VII they should have just dismissed out of hand any sort of discrimination, and stuck with the reason he was fired....Safety....Once they entertained the dismissed employee's claim, they gave it credit....Poor attorney's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Good to see you accepting reality
    Ok, so you admit your points were weak at best....I'll accept that.
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Some people really don't understand the word "discrimination"



    Why wouldn't refusal to hire a gay person simply because of that person's sexual orientation be discrimination?

    What if the employer thinks unmarried pregnant women should be shunned, not be allowed to work for him/her? Isn't that discrimination?

    White supremacists often use the Bible to justify their racism. This proposed law would allow a member of the Aryan Nation cult to refuse entry into his business, refusal to rent to those he considers inferior beings, etc. Like I posted at the beginning, there are some people who really don't understand the meaning of "discrimination"
    Discrimination is denying someone a "right".

    What gives a homosexual person the "right" to a job at a business? Even one who's owner doesn't want that particular person as an employee? How is enforcing one persons right in such cases also not a case in discrimination against the right of the other person? Each has a right, one, exercise of religious freedom is guaranteed by the constitution while the other is inferred, so who's right is greater?

    As to unmarried pregnant women, why should someone hire a person whom they know will soon be taking maternity leave, leaving them without an employee for that time, instead of hiring a person who will still be available? How much training costs will be lost if the pregnant woman decides to quit after having the baby? How much training costs are involved in re-qualifying her after maternity leave?
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    It's fascinating how there are no such cases of anyone's ability to practice their faith in private or order their own life according to the beliefs being infringed. It's only when people try to exercise power over others that problems arise. Isn't that interesting? It's almost like everyone's right to practice whatever religion or non-religion they like is being protected equally, and not just the majority religious positions. Can you imagine what would happen if Protestants were being fired over their employers' religion?
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