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Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

Phil E Buster said:
So what happens when the business owner doesn't want to serve the person that wants to be served by that business? Whose "freedom" wins?
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doesnt matter to some people

Rights and freedoms and laws are meaningless to some people when they protect and refer to others when they simply dont like it or thier kind

also rules and regulation for business dont matter either

the thing is though, WE ALL must play by the same rules in the public forum, nobody gets special treatment

if one is stupid enough to open up a public access business and ignore the licensing, laws, rules, regulations that govern that business and ignore the laws and rights that protect us all thats thier dumbass fault

that was THEIR choice and this is why people dont buy it when they play the victim card, boo-freaking-who lol

they broke the law now theres consequences

if they want to break the law, let them, they will pay the price because the law is protecting our rights
 
this is where the liberal BS really gets high. Ask them about gay marriage and the first thing they say is: Why does it effect you? live and let live, that sort of stuff.
then ask them how THEY are effected if a small town in Oklahoma wants to put the ten commandments in the courthouse and you get an entirely different philosophy on life. And they think both stances are compatible somehow. funny
 
ChezC3 said:
You don't have freedom to interact with people who don't want to interact with you, that's silly talk. A business owner isn't preventing someone from making a purchase of whatever it is that they may want to purchase, he just doesn't have to be the one to sell it to them.
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You believe full and equal enjoyment to be null and void then?
 
JoeTrumps said:
this is where the liberal BS really gets high. Ask them about gay marriage and the first thing they say is: Why does it effect you? live and let live, that sort of stuff.
then ask them how THEY are effected if a small town in Oklahoma wants to put the ten commandments in the courthouse and you get an entirely different philosophy on life. And they think both stances are compatible somehow. funny
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its funny you think those are the same thats whats HILARIOUS and i say that as a non-liberal and a christian

gay marriage is about equal rights unlike the courthouse think which i also find funny

always very telling when one opens up a rant with righties, lefties, liberals, conservatives etc lol
 
AGENT J said:
doesnt matter to some people

Rights and freedoms and laws are meaningless to some people when they protect and refer to others when they simply dont like it or thier kind

also rules and regulation for business dont matter either

the thing is though, WE ALL must play by the same rules in the public forum, nobody gets special treatment

if one is stupid enough to open up a public access business and ignore the licensing, laws, rules, regulations that govern that business and ignore the laws and rights that protect us all thats thier dumbass fault

that was THEIR choice and this is why people dont buy it when they play the victim card, boo-freaking-who lol

they broke the law now theres consequences

if they want to break the law, let them, they will pay the price because the law is protecting our rights
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His claims of being a "business owner" are dubious at best.
 
Phil E Buster said:
His claims of being a "business owner" are dubious at best.
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probably but whether he is or isnt the issue is about rights and freedoms and he is simply on the wrong side and rights, laws, rules and freedoms dont support him

the solutions are simply

dont open a business or play by the same rules WE ALL play by
hide your want to discriminate and or bigotry
change the format of your business that allows you to easily practice your discrimination of bigotry (on-line, private practice out of your home etc)

nobody force these people to open a business and then break the law
 
AGENT J said:
its funny you think those are the same thats whats HILARIOUS and i say that as a non-liberal and a christian

gay marriage is about equal rights unlike the courthouse think which i also find funny

always very telling when one opens up a rant with righties, lefties, liberals, conservatives etc lol
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i'm gonna waste my time and bite on this one.

so how are you negatively effected by a small oklahoma town voting to allow the ten commandments in the courthouse. then I'll explain why you aren't making any sense.

also, I used the word liberal to begin my post. Sorry if that was such a horrible slur in your eyes.
 
AGENT J said:
probably but whether he is or isnt the issue is about rights and freedoms and he is simply on the wrong side and rights, laws, rules and freedoms dont support him

the solutions are simply

dont open a business or play by the same rules WE ALL play by
hide your want to discriminate and or bigotry
change the format of your business that allows you to easily practice your discrimination of bigotry (on-line, private practice out of your home etc)

nobody force these people to open a business and then break the law
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I agree with this 100%. Well put.
 
JoeTrumps said:
i'm gonna waste my time and bite on this one.

so how are you negatively effected by a small oklahoma town voting to allow the ten commandments in the courthouse. then I'll explain why you aren't making any sense.

also, I used the word liberal to begin my post. Sorry if that was such a horrible slur in your eyes.
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He didn't say it was a horrible slur. He said it was telling.
 
JoeTrumps said:
i'm gonna waste my time and bite on this one.

so how are you negatively effected by a small oklahoma town voting to allow the ten commandments in the courthouse. then I'll explain why you aren't making any sense.

also, I used the word liberal to begin my post. Sorry if that was such a horrible slur in your eyes.
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Also....the commandments aren't IN the courthouse.
 
JoeTrumps said:
1.)i'm gonna waste my time and bite on this one.

2.)so how are you negatively effected by a small oklahoma town voting to allow the ten commandments in the courthouse.

3.)then I'll explain why you aren't making any sense.

4.) also, I used the word liberal to begin my post. Sorry if that was such a horrible slur in your eyes.
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1.) nothing to bite, its not bait i was simply pointing out how they are factually different i didnt even offer my OPINION on top of the fact they are different lol

2.) me directly? personally? well since im a christian it doesn't BUT i do see it as backdooring rules, laws, separation of church and state, not having state sponsored religion and regulations that exist.

and one is equal rights.

HUGE difference

DO you know the background of the story? I do

3.) explain away because facts wont change

4.) not a "slur" its just about 98% of the time when one starts a post with liberals, righties, lefties, conservatives etc in blanket form or no background and its a judgmental post like your one can be reassured it will be biased, dishonest and filled with hypocritical hyperbole.
The people in those groups are not all the same.
SO no sorry needed but i accept your apology I was just pointing out the reality of posts like that.
 
Phil E Buster said:
Also....the commandments aren't IN the courthouse.
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Correct again, it was a monument outside

the SOUND argument is that it violated the 1st and I believe I read they used a loophole to put it up and claimed since it was a donation and it was to be put up by volunteers or non government employees that magically made it ok

so then others imply wanted to do the same and they were denied, then the ideas were all simply put on hold to decided what the best course of action was and also lawsuits started.

The very simply solution would have been to simply not violate the 1st OR to accept all donations and ideas
 
CriticalThought said:
Believe me, I would love to end any and all law suits by same sex couples who are discriminated against by private business owners. The only arguments that conservatives have left against same sex marriage are such lawsuits. But I am looking further down the road than same sex couples. I am looking at not just how Christians could use this law but other religious groups. Can you look further ahead than just gays and right wing Christians and perhaps see some possible unintended consequences of this bill? This is fair warning for what is to come. Give it some critical thought.
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:shrug: sure. businesses and organizations in the future will deny membership or service to Christians on the basis that because Christians disagree with them on sexuality, they are morally inferior. Honestly, the way our society is moving, such anti-Christian measures in private associations will probably be more prevalent than Christian businesses who don't want to support SSM.
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: sure. businesses and organizations in the future will deny membership or service to Christians on the basis that because Christians disagree with them on sexuality, they are morally inferior. Honestly, the way our society is moving, such anti-Christian measures in private associations will probably be more prevalent than Christian businesses who don't want to support SSM.
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I think it is actually extremely rare for private businesses to discriminate against same sex couples or gay folk. It just receives a remarkable amount of media attention when it happens. That is why such a law is funny. In the long run, it is likely going to affect you and others like you far, far more than it will ever affect me or other gay folk.
 
AGENT J said:
i do see it as backdooring rules, laws, separation of church and state, not having state sponsored religion and regulations that exist.

and one is equal rights.
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seperation of church and state is just a liberal mantra, not law. a town acknowledging that the ten commandments were important ideals that the PEOPLE(not founding fathers) who established this country believed in. I don't see how that could possibly infringe on your rights.

and save me the equal rights routine. everyone agrees the gays shouldn't be descriminated against; gay marriage is a separate issue that has WAY more to do with social institutions being rebranded than anything else. to say everyone is against it simply because they don't like gays is giving them way to much credit. they are concerned about the institution, not the group. so give it a rest
 
JoeTrumps said:
seperation of church and state is just a liberal mantra, not law. a town acknowledging that the ten commandments were important ideals that the PEOPLE(not founding fathers) who established this country believed in. I don't see how that could possibly infringe on your rights.

and save me the equal rights routine. everyone agrees the gays shouldn't be descriminated against; gay marriage is a separate issue that has WAY more to do with social institutions being rebranded than anything else. to say everyone is against it simply because they don't like gays is giving them way to much credit. they are concerned about the institution, not the group. so give it a rest
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IN the Oklahoma case it is not just a "small town". You should read a bit more - Support Growing For Satanic Monument At OK Capitol - NewsOn6.com - Tulsa, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports - KOTV.com |
 
JoeTrumps said:
1.)seperation of church and state is just a liberal mantra, not law.
2.) a town acknowledging that the ten commandments were important ideals that the PEOPLE(not founding fathers) who established this country believed in. I don't see how that could possibly infringe on your rights.

3.) and save me the equal rights routine.
4.) everyone agrees the gays shouldn't be descriminated against
5.) gay marriage is a separate issue that has WAY more to do with social institutions being rebranded than anything else.
6.) to say everyone is against it simply because they don't like gays is giving them way to much credit.
7.) they are concerned about the institution, not the group. so give it a rest
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1.) its also part of the 1st, so yes LAW :shrug: but please continue with your deflection
2.) then you dont understand rights laws and rights
3.) so you dont want to talk about FACTS that are important, thats telling
4.) not everybody there are many that want too
5.) it has NOTHING to do with that and those things arent effected at all
6.) anybody who is actively fighting against yes doesn't like gays or doesn't want them to have equal rights which is the same
7.) the institution is fine because it belongs to the people involved not anybody else
8.) nope not until equal rights is established :)
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: sure. businesses and organizations in the future will deny membership or service to Christians on the basis that because Christians disagree with them on sexuality, they are morally inferior. Honestly, the way our society is moving, such anti-Christian measures in private associations will probably be more prevalent than Christian businesses who don't want to support SSM.
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It's just as repugnant either way.
 
Somerville said:
IN the Oklahoma case it is not just a "small town". You should read a bit more - Support Growing For Satanic Monument At OK Capitol - NewsOn6.com - Tulsa, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports - KOTV.com |
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again, if the satanists could point to any of their beliefs and ideals helping create this country then I wouldn't deny them some public space to acknowledge those contributions(assuming the citizens vote on the issue). I think there is a clear distinction
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: sure. businesses and organizations in the future will deny membership or service to Christians on the basis that because Christians disagree with them on sexuality, they are morally inferior. Honestly, the way our society is moving, such anti-Christian measures in private associations will probably be more prevalent than Christian businesses who don't want to support SSM.
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awesomely that's already protected under the same law, that too would be illegal discriminating so they too would be breaking the law and pay the prices

these LAW applies to us all and thats thier beauty
 
JoeTrumps said:
again, if the satanists could point to any of their beliefs and ideals helping create this country then I wouldn't deny them some public space to acknowledge those contributions(assuming the citizens vote on the issue). I think there is a clear distinction
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Slightly off topic but it does relate to the stupid bill that started this thread: How many of the Ten Commandments can actually be connected to laws that are presently valid in America?
 
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