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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Thinkprogresss as a citation? Haha.
    Care to point out which part of their opinion is incorrect?
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    At some point one has to wonder why opponents post comments which seemingly prefer denying reality over acceptance of readily available facts.

    Facts in the case of the Little Sisters
    1) They don't have to pay for contraceptive services for their employees
    2) The group providing insurance is also a church-owned company
    4) As a religiously-based corporation, the insurer is not required to provide coverage of contraceptive services
    5) To gain the exemption granted to all religious groups, a representative of the Little Sisters had to sign a form - they refused to sign
    6) The court decision which affirmed the religious order's right to deny contraceptive services also stated the nuns have to “inform the Secretary of Health and Human Services in writing”

    NOW, shall we disregard the ad hominem attack on Think Progress and discuss the facts or shall we disregard reality and wander off into LaLa Land?
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    At some point one has to wonder why opponents post comments which seemingly prefer denying reality over acceptance of readily available facts.

    Facts in the case of the Little Sisters
    1) They don't have to pay for contraceptive services for their employees
    2) The group providing insurance is also a church-owned company
    4) As a religiously-based corporation, the insurer is not required to provide coverage of contraceptive services
    5) To gain the exemption granted to all religious groups, a representative of the Little Sisters had to sign a form - they refused to sign
    6) The court decision which affirmed the religious order's right to deny contraceptive services also stated the nuns have to “inform the Secretary of Health and Human Services in writing”
    Okay, Agent J.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Care to point out which part of their opinion is incorrect?
    They admit they form requires the insurer to provide that which the Little Sisters do not have to provide. Then say it doesn't.

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    It is still discrimination based upon one's religious views. Whether such discrimination is justified because of one's religious, political and/or sexual beliefs does not negate the the fact that such actions are discrimination.
    If one person's conscience offends another person's delicate sensibilities, that just too F'n bad...Isn't that what the progressive outlook is?

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Okay, Agent J.



    They admit they form requires the insurer to provide that which the Little Sisters do not have to provide. Then say it doesn't.

    The government says the requirements for the insuror to supply contraceptive coverage do not apply in this instance because the insuror is also a religious organisation and not a profit-seeking corporation. What is so difficult to comprehend? Why is the Little Sisters group unwilling to sign a form that says why it refuses to pay for contraception?
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    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Why is the Little Sisters group unwilling to sign a form that says why it refuses to pay for contraception?
    Because that form requires the insurer to provide that which the Little Sisters do not have to provide.

    Which was in the bill the whole time, and there on purpose as a go around.

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Because that form requires the insurer to provide that which the Little Sisters do not have to provide.

    Which was in the bill the whole time, and there on purpose as a go around.

    WRONG! as you have been in almost every reply in which you make a statement, not those in which your 'answer' is a question.
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Even your horrible, joke of a citation that is every ThinkProgress link ever, admits it. It was a go around for religious protections. You do not want to offer abortion medicines/procedures and contraception? Okay, the law requiring you to get an insurer then requires your insurer to cover it.

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Even your horrible, joke of a citation that is every ThinkProgress link ever, admits it. It was a go around for religious protections. You do not want to offer abortion medicines/procedures and contraception? Okay, the law requiring you to get an insurer then requires your insurer to cover it.

    One might think that some replies are meant more as attempts to instigate personal attacks in hopes of having opponents suspended from the forum. I'm sure that is not your intention.


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    4) As a religiously-based corporation, the insurer is not required to provide coverage of contraceptive services
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    It was smart of you to stop your claim about the topic. Here is my response, that you overlooked because you think, ThinkProgress can actually be used as a citation ever.

    It was a go around for religious protections. You do not want to offer abortion medicines/procedures and contraception? Okay, the law requiring you to get an insurer then requires your insurer to cover it.

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