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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The religious organisation which is the employer of the aggrieved employee
    Sue them for what?

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Sue them for what?
    Are you being deliberately obtuse? Are you trying to get me to post something offensive?
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Are you being deliberately obtuse? Are you trying to get me to post something offensive?
    None of the above. Why would they sue?

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Here are the posts in this little kerfuffle

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    They would get it through the company paid for provider, which is literally paying for it. And if the workers do not have the same beliefs they can be fired, especially by religious institutions since the unanimous decision in Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School v. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.
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    WRONG! Try again. The case you cite has one provision that still allows some employees of religious organisations to sue the group. I'm sure you know the qualification but ...
    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Sue what group?
    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The religious organisation which is the employer of the aggrieved employee
    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Sue them for what?
    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Are you being deliberately obtuse? Are you trying to get me to post something offensive?
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    None of the above. Why would they sue?
    Why are you asking these questions? It all goes back to your claim the employees of the Little Sisters can be fired if they don't have the same beliefs as their employer (Little Sisters of the Poor in this case). A claim that you seem to think is supported by the decision in Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School v. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. I then say you are WRONG, at which point you seem to be wandering off the trail by asking such elementary questions that one might think you don't comprehend the ramifications of the Hosanna-Tabor judgment.
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Why are you asking these questions?
    They cannot be fired?

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    They cannot be fired?
    Your statement, one more time, "if the workers do not have the same beliefs they can be fired, especially by religious institutions"

    The answer to that is NO. An employee cannot be fired for having a religious belief that differs from that of their employer.

    You made the claim. You provided a SCOTUS decision that does not support your claim.

    NOW, would you care to dispute my statement that Hosanna-Tabor does not support your claim? Or will you continue to play word games? If the last is your style, then this is my last post answering to you.
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    An employee cannot be fired for having a religious belief that differs from that of their employer.
    Yes, at religious institutions you can as per one unanimous decision.

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Yes, at religious institutions you can as per one unanimous decision.
    WRONG! Go and read the decision. There is one stipulation, one condition of employment which allows a religious group to fire an employee for nothing more than a difference in religious belief. If that condition is not met, then Hosanna-Tabor doesn't apply.

    Try and figure it out. I've had enuff.
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    There is one stipulation, one condition of employment which allows a religious group to fire an employee for nothing more than a difference in religious belief.
    You almost got it.

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    They would get it through the company paid for provider, which is literally paying for it. And if the workers do not have the same beliefs they can be fired, especially by religious institutions since the unanimous decision in Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School v. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.
    No it isn't. They would be paying for insurance, not what the people use the insurance for. That is none of the religious institution's business.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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