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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    The eternally uptight Kathi Herrod is the head of Center for Az Policy, and she is a full on, whacked out talibornagain who tries to get all kinds of ALEC crap passed in our state. She just lost another big one when she tried to have abortions banned at 20 weeks, every year she gets all these theocratic bills introduced that are unconstitutional and we waste more and more money on these morals commandants who are in constant fear that someone else may actually be enjoying their lives and living in a free society. Bah!

    This bill is there for one purpose, to allow religious groups to discriminate, it won't stand a lawsuit, it is a waste of time.
    Never heard of abortion described as 'enjoying life'..... ah well...
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Never heard of abortion described as 'enjoying life'..... ah well...
    Guess what? You aren't overturning abortion in the USA in either of our lifetimes.
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    My questions are:

    1) How do you define a secular business vs. a religious one? Would a company with a Christian as the CEO be religious? Should we even create this distinction as it concerns discrimination of people based on their biological features?

    2) What constitutes a valid "religious excuse" vs. actual discrimination? Are we going to start quoting scripture in secular courtrooms now as an actual defense for why you didn't do what you were supposed to? Legal liability should not be based on religion, and if it needs to be, that should be made clear before signing contracts.

    I dunno... the secular reasoning behind most discrimination laws makes sense. I can understand Church organizations having ideological reasons for, say, not hiring gay people or something like that. It sucks but it's their choice how they decide to view the world. I don't see why we need to make a special law separating "religious" business from "secular" business. This is one country with one economy, and one social policy.

    People just need to stop being dicks to one another, and stop looking to nanny government to allow them to do it. If you have integrity and self-respect as a business owner then you can serve anyone and not take it personally. Take personal responsibility for the way you feel and stop projecting it onto everyone else.

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Never heard of abortion described as 'enjoying life'..... ah well...
    The innocent victim thereof certainly isn't enjoying life.
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Guess what? You aren't overturning abortion in the USA in either of our lifetimes.

    Did I say we were?
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    It is a good thing that we keep religion out of our nations governance, we should also make sure to keep liberals like you from using government to stick their nose in religion....Works both ways there pal.
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It is a good thing that we keep religion out of our nations governance, we should also make sure to keep liberals like you from using government to stick their nose in religion....Works both ways there pal.

    Here's the problem - too many on the right see efforts to restrain the imposition of specific religious beliefs on all Americans as "liberals ... using government to stick their nose in religion"
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It is a good thing that we keep religion out of our nations governance, we should also make sure to keep liberals like you from using government to stick their nose in religion....Works both ways there pal.
    Ah yes, when someone has no argument, resort to calling them a "liberal"

    Weak and sloppy debate skills.
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    As a wise person recently observed: At what point did "Whatever two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is no concern of yours" turn into "BAKE ME A GODDAM CAKE MO**ERFU**ER!"?

    Also, Pro-Tip: Never eat something you forced someone to make for you.
    Last edited by jmotivator; 01-22-14 at 04:10 PM.
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