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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Who says they can't be employed? Just not by those who'd not want them in their employ. I don't recall there being an exclusive religion or race that holds all the jobs. As I said, an employee is an extension of the employer thereby granting the employer the right to determine who it is that represents him. To demand that you must interact with everyone, regardless of your choice, is an infringement on your freedom.
    We can see the results of allowing discrimination by business in the southeast USA until the mid-1960s, in South Africa until the mid-1980s and with India's caste system. The result was extreme poverty, oppression and disenfranchisement for the unpopular groups.


    When someone operates a business that is open to the public or over a certain size they must comply with a wide range of rules that cost money and create inconvenience for the owner for the public interest and the safety of the employees and customers. Those include requirements for ramps and wide doorways etc. for disability access, alarms, sprinklers and extinguishers for fire protection, sometimes video surveillance systems and/or guards are required, there are also zoning rules, restrictions on signs, business hours restrictions and many others. The days when businesses can do anything they want, anywhere they want, are long gone and we are better off for it.
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E Buster View Post
    Ok. I have a better understanding of where you're coming from. To further clarify for me, you are advocating or would be in favor of a return to a Jim Crow type of era and unequal treatment of women and minorities?
    Haven't you heard? Racism and sexism ended in 1970. No one would discriminate against minorities or women these days.




    irony alert

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The days when businesses can do anything they want, anywhere they want, are long gone and we are better off for it.
    Those days never existed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    No one would discriminate against minorities or women these days.
    Sure they would, and then be promptly kicked out of the market.

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    When someone operates a business that is open to the public or over a certain size they must comply with a wide range of rules that cost money and create inconvenience for teh owner for teh public interest and the safety of the employees and customers. Those include requirements for ramps and wide doorways etc. for disability access, alarms, sprinklers and extinguishers for fire protection, sometimes video surveillance systems and/or guards are required, there are also zoning rules, restrictions on signs, business hours and many others. The days when businesses can do anything they want, anywhere they want are long gone and we are better off for it.
    What is and what ought are always two different things it seems...

    I'm choosing to ignore that you've mistaken me for someone not privy to business and all that entails, along with confusing my speaking on what ought rather than what is.

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E Buster View Post
    Ok. I have a better understanding of where you're coming from. To further clarify for me, you are advocating or would be in favor of a return to a Jim Crow type of era and unequal treatment of women and minorities?

    I would be in favor of being allowed to freely interact and trade, do business with, and employ whomever I choose to.

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I would be in favor of being allowed to freely interact and trade, do business with, and employ whomever I choose to.
    Ok got it. Jim Crow and discrimination so YOU can be free. I guess my last question would be what about the ability of others to freely do business with and interact or trade with? What if someone you don't want to do business with, wants to shop at your store?

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    What is and what ought are always two different things it seems...

    I'm choosing to ignore that you've mistaken me for someone not privy to business and all that entails, along with confusing my speaking on what ought rather than what is.
    You seem to have missed the phrase "and we are better off for it."

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E Buster View Post
    Ok got it. Jim Crow and discrimination so YOU can be free. I guess my last question would be what about the ability of others to freely do business with and interact or trade with? What if someone you don't want to do business with, wants to shop at your store?
    No, no I don't believe you do...

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    No, no I don't believe you do...
    Which part of that is incorrect?

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    You seem to have missed the phrase "and we are better off for it."
    no I caught that, I just happen to dis-o-gree...

    I truly, truly, do...

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