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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yes I was unaware. Still not elective abortions and still not what we were discussing.
    Here we go, your first qualifier of the discussion -- "elective" abortions. I said abortions, not "elective" abortions. Are you still unaware that taxpayer funding is used to pay for abortions?

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

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    It is so sad how far America has gotten of course of what is rightly defined by law. For instance, there are three requirements for something to be considered a civil right. The third refers "being born that way." There have been many studies of the brain and on genetics and not one has been proven valid for any kind of "gay gene." Every single study or research has either provided false data or didnt use a control and every one has not been able to be replicated. Therefore being gay is not a right.
    Privacy is a right.

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Privacy is a right.
    Can I keep my income private from the state, or is privacy not a right?

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    If one person's conscience offends another person's delicate sensibilities, that just too F'n bad...Isn't that what the progressive outlook is?
    NO. The ability to use religion as a way to avoid compliance with laws that protect the rights of employees and customers of a business should be limited to actual religious organizations, not just any bozo who wants to get away with illegal discrimination by claiming a religious reason.

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I didn't say anything wrong. I was discussing birth control, what this issue is about, not abortions. The law concerns birth control coverage, not abortions.
    Please don't feed the troll.

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    People are allowed to exercise the right of association in ways the rest of us find distasteful.

    A knee jerk religious agenda of the kind you are alluding to would be the opposite of what is being described. Such an agenda would remove the right of association by (for example) forbidding the employment of homosexuals in churches, or banning pastors from keeping their jobs once they have been divorced.


    Individual liberty. If you are going to put "libertarian" next to your lean, you are supposed to be in favor of it. Even for people you disagree with.
    Believe me, I would love to end any and all law suits by same sex couples who are discriminated against by private business owners. The only arguments that conservatives have left against same sex marriage are such lawsuits. But I am looking further down the road than same sex couples. I am looking at not just how Christians could use this law but other religious groups. Can you look further ahead than just gays and right wing Christians and perhaps see some possible unintended consequences of this bill? This is fair warning for what is to come. Give it some critical thought.

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Please don't feed the troll.
    Yeah, in this case, I've come to the same conclusion. I only debate with rational people.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    NO. The ability to use religion as a way to avoid compliance with laws that protect the rights of employees and customers of a business should be limited to actual religious organizations, not just any bozo who wants to get away with illegal discrimination by claiming a religious reason.
    Why would I want to sustain a person's lifestyle (by sustaining their life via job) which I morally object?

    Further, why should I be forced to hire anyone or allow in my place of business, anyone whom I don't want? Do I not have a right to give my money or trade my goods with those I choose to?

    The only argument of discrimination I'll hear is one where it involves the government as that is the only one which should not b tolerated, anything else is an infringement on the person.

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Please don't feed the troll.
    Don't worry, I stopped. Not a big fan of twisting arguments to "debate".
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Why would I want to sustain a person's lifestyle (by sustaining their life via job) which I morally object?
    Because it's none of your damn business.

    Further, why should I be forced to hire anyone or allow in my place of business, anyone whom I don't want? Do I not have a right to give my money or trade my goods with those I choose to?
    Except where it conflicts with non-discrimination laws, sure. However, it shouldn't make a difference to you in the least. So long as the employee does their job and makes you money, what do you care what they do on their off-hours? If you're unable to separate your religious beliefs from your business practices, you need professional help.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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