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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Yeah, you said something wrong, so I addressed it.
    I didn't say anything wrong. I was discussing birth control, what this issue is about, not abortions. The law concerns birth control coverage, not abortions.
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    As a conservative put the emotional knee jerk desire to push a religious agenda aside and ask yourself the critical question that all responsible conservatives ask of any proposed law, "what might be the unintended consequences of this legislation?'
    People are allowed to exercise the right of association in ways the rest of us find distasteful.

    A knee jerk religious agenda of the kind you are alluding to would be the opposite of what is being described. Such an agenda would remove the right of association by (for example) forbidding the employment of homosexuals in churches, or banning pastors from keeping their jobs once they have been divorced.


    Individual liberty. If you are going to put "libertarian" next to your lean, you are supposed to be in favor of it. Even for people you disagree with.
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They were always intended to protect individual religious practices and beliefs from being infringed on, they were never meant to protect religious discrimination against others, which is exactly what this is.
    SCOTUS obviously disagrees with you, religious entities can discriminate against their employees for religious reasons, and the ruling was unanimous.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I didn't say anything wrong. I was discussing birth control, what this issue is about, not abortions. The law concerns birth control coverage, not abortions.
    The forced coverage for both is the topic.

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    The bill seems to be worded so broadly that anyone or any business can justify virtually any otherwise illegal action by claiming that they are practicing their religion. In my view, that privilege should be reserved for the harmless activities of individuals and the harmless actions of religious non-profits. Once a religion forms a spin-off non-religious organization (ie. Catholic Charities) so that they can qualify for government contracts or other public recognition, they should lose their religious privileges.

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    The forced coverage for both is the topic.
    Wrong. Abortion can be mandated to be paid for by the person getting it, either directly or by paying a separate premium for that particular coverage. Birth control is the one mandated to be covered by the insurance provided by an employer (included in the policy) without an out, from what I've read.

    Health Reform and Abortion Coverage in the Insurance Exchanges (State Implementation Brief)

    "If insurance coverage for abortion is included in a plan in the exchange, a separate premium is required for this coverage paid for by the policyholder. In addition, the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act's Consistency with Longstanding Restrictions on the Use of Federal Funds for Abortion" executive order establishes an enforcement mechanism to ensure that federal funds are not used for abortion services, consistent with existing federal statute."
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Wrong. Abortion can be mandated to be paid for by the person getting it, either directly or by paying a separate premium for that particular coverage. Birth control is the one mandated to be covered by the insurance provided by an employer (included in the policy) without an out, from what I've read.

    Health Reform and Abortion Coverage in the Insurance Exchanges (State Implementation Brief)

    "If insurance coverage for abortion is included in a plan in the exchange, a separate premium is required for this coverage paid for by the policyholder. In addition, the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act's Consistency with Longstanding Restrictions on the Use of Federal Funds for Abortion" executive order establishes an enforcement mechanism to ensure that federal funds are not used for abortion services, consistent with existing federal statute."
    Abortion is already paid for with taxpayer funding though, is ncsl not aware of this?

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    You know. Laws like this can be fun. I should start a pro abortion rights religion and sue Texas to back off some of its laws.

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Abortion is already paid for with taxpayer funding though, is ncsl not aware of this?
    It isn't. You can believe the bull you have been told, but abortions are not paid for by taxpayer funding.
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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It isn't. You can believe the bull you have been told, but abortions are not paid for by taxpayer funding.
    The Hyde amendment specifically allows for taxpayer funds to pay for certain abortions. Are you unaware of this?

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    Re: Controversial bill to expand religious protections advances

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    The Hyde amendment specifically allows for taxpayer funds to pay for certain abortions. Are you unaware of this?
    Yes I was unaware. Still not elective abortions and still not what we were discussing.

    Taking things to extreme, and/or limiting black and white answers prohibits honest debate. They cannot pay for elective abortions. You may not agree with the amendment (personally I have my reservations about abortions), but the issue at hand was insurance and paying for birth control, not requiring insurance to pay for abortions.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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