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    Re: Gov. Cuomo: Pro-life people not welcome in New York

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    Re: Gov. Cuomo: Pro-life people not welcome in New York

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    if it wasn't for capitalism you wouldn't have a computer which means no internet which means you wouldn't be on this site bad mouthing capitalism. life's funny isn't it?
    Capitalism is great as long as you aren't one of the thousands of poor schmucks making this iPhone in China's Foxconn factory. My life, for example, is awesome. But, I'm smart enough to know "I didn't build that."

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    Re: Gov. Cuomo: Pro-life people not welcome in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    I see it different. IMO, people who believe in the invisible sky daddy are not qualified to be president, and someone who is openly gay is probably more honest than all those candidates who pretend to love their wives.
    So you see others as "categories" rather than as individuals. That must make voting very easy for you. No need to study the platforms or particular planks so long as they fit a couple of criteria--atheist and/or gay. Would a gay atheist conservative be okay, then?

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    Re: Gov. Cuomo: Pro-life people not welcome in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So you see others as "categories" rather than as individuals. That must make voting very easy for you. No need to study the platforms or particular planks so long as they fit a couple of criteria--atheist and/or gay. Would a gay atheist conservative be okay, then?
    Well, since there are countless god and country male republicans who rode the anti-gay horse only to be busted soliciting sex from male prostitutes, I suspect my screening process is more reliable than yours.

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    Re: Gov. Cuomo: Pro-life people not welcome in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Well, since there are countless god and country male republicans who rode the anti-gay horse only to be busted soliciting sex from male prostitutes, I suspect my screening process is more reliable than yours.
    Yeah people like Weiner are sloop much better.
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    Re: Gov. Cuomo: Pro-life people not welcome in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Why is everyone so surprised when the myth of liberal tolerance is exposed like this?
    Because the "myth of liberal tolerance" has been twisted to mean that liberals are being intolerant if they are intolerant of intolerance.

    Now, Re: Cuomo's comments. Taken in context, his meaning is quite clear -- that far-right politicians have a pretty tough row to hoe if they're going to get elected in New York State. I live in New York. Our Republicans, for the most part, are pretty moderate. It was an extremely inelegantly phrased statement, but it sure wasn't the clarion call for a purge of conservatives that some are making it out to be.
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    Re: Gov. Cuomo: Pro-life people not welcome in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Because the "myth of liberal tolerance" has been twisted to mean that liberals are being intolerant if they are intolerant of intolerance.

    Now, Re: Cuomo's comments. Taken in context, his meaning is quite clear -- that far-right politicians have a pretty tough row to hoe if they're going to get elected in New York State. I live in New York. Our Republicans, for the most part, are pretty moderate. It was an extremely inelegantly phrased statement, but it sure wasn't the clarion call for a purge of conservatives that some are making it out to be.
    Wasn't Cuomo's comments directed at the already centrist Republicans? That they have to move even further left? That might be one legitimate interpretation. Interesting positioning, in that the GOP has not had much success as running as 'Democrat lite', which leads me to believe that this is little more than calling for the remaining centrist Republicans to continue their record of defeats to the continued gain of the liberal / progressive / Democrats.

    I really don't care much how deep the progressive / liberal / Democrats screw New York state into the ground, into further fiscal insolvency and greater and greater tax burdens for the productive parts of the economy and people that remains.

    For more than 15 years, New York state has led the country in domestic outmigration: For every American who comes here, roughly two depart for other states. This outmigration slowed briefly following the onset of the Great Recession. But a recent Marist poll suggests that the rate is likely to increase: 36 percent of New Yorkers under 30 plan to leave over the next five years. Why are all these people fleeing?

    For one thing, according to a recent survey in Chief Executive, our state has the second-worst business climate in the country. (Only California ranks lower.) People go where the jobs are, so when a state repels businesses, it repels residents, too.
    Why New York’s future is fleeing | New York Post
    New York State accounted for the biggest migration exodus of any state in the nation between 2000 and 2010, with 3.4 million residents leaving over that period, according to the Tax Foundation.

    Over that decade the state gained 2.1 million, so net migration amounted to 1.3 million, representing a loss of $45.6 billion in income.

    Where are they escaping to? The Tax Foundation found that more than 600,000 New York residents moved to Florida over the decade – opting perhaps for the Sunshine State’s more lenient tax system – taking nearly $20 billion in adjusted growth income with them.
    Escape From New York? High-Taxing Empire State Loses 3.4 Million Residents in 10 Years | CNS News

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    This continued bleeding of people and businesses to tax is sure to put the bite on all the foolish liberal tax and spend policies, and I'm sure, will self-correct eventually. In the mean time, by all means, please continue. Other states are more than welcoming of your ex-resident, and ex-producers.

    It's pretty clear that the left end of the spectrum has moved significantly left in recent years, like the last 10 or so, making what used to be center right end of the spectrum look extreme right in comparison. Is it by this measure that the left determine who is a moderate Republican? Seems likely so. Would make me think that this is the biggest moving of the goal posts to date yet.

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    Re: Gov. Cuomo: Pro-life people not welcome in New York

    Apologies, but I need to snip for brevity and to address certain points without getting bogged down. I will attempt to retain as much context as possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Wasn't Cuomo's comments directed at the already centrist Republicans? That they have to move even further left?
    No. His comments were directed at "extremist Republicans." Since that's what he said.

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I really don't care much how deep the progressive / liberal / Democrats screw New York state into the ground, into further fiscal insolvency and greater and greater tax burdens for the productive parts of the economy and people that remains.
    I don't know if you're aware of this, but under Gov. Cuomo, state taxes have been cut pretty significantly over the last three years. And there's been a whole mess of tax breaks for businesses under his administration (one of your articles was from 2011). NYS definitely had a problem with too high of taxation -- it's being brought into line with other economically similar states.

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    It's pretty clear that the left end of the spectrum has moved significantly left in recent years, like the last 10 or so, making what used to be center right end of the spectrum look extreme right in comparison. Is it by this measure that the left determine who is a moderate Republican? Seems likely so. Would make me think that this is the biggest moving of the goal posts to date yet.
    I think the left end of the spectrum has moved slightly over the last few years as a knee-jerk reaction to the disastrous policies of the Bush administration and the GOP when they ran the show exclusively for the first six years of this century. I don't think it's moved very far.
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    Re: Gov. Cuomo: Pro-life people not welcome in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Capitalism has it's own problems. For instance you get a highly profitable football league skimping on referee costs by hiring part timers to do the job, pay cheerleaders nothing but a stipend and paying players, the backbone of the league, who destroy their minds and bodies, the least amount of money as is humanly possible.
    Bad example. Capitalism is competitive. You're example is not capitalist, it is a monopoly which is corporatist and mainly distinguishable from socialism in that in socialism, society is the slave master instead of a corporation. There is only 1 NFL, no other league competes with it.
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    Re: Gov. Cuomo: Pro-life people not welcome in New York

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Apologies, but I need to snip for brevity and to address certain points without getting bogged down. I will attempt to retain as much context as possible.



    No. His comments were directed at "extremist Republicans." Since that's what he said.



    I don't know if you're aware of this, but under Gov. Cuomo, state taxes have been cut pretty significantly over the last three years. And there's been a whole mess of tax breaks for businesses under his administration (one of your articles was from 2011). NYS definitely had a problem with too high of taxation -- it's being brought into line with other economically similar states.



    I think the left end of the spectrum has moved slightly over the last few years as a knee-jerk reaction to the disastrous policies of the Bush administration and the GOP when they ran the show exclusively for the first six years of this century. I don't think it's moved very far.
    The perception of how far which parts of the political spectrum have moved is a subjective one, so there's really no right or wrong on that one. Safe to say that it's probably somewhere between the smaller move to the left that you believe and the greater move to the left that I believe.

    So yesterday's centrists have now become the present right, just a matter of how much.

    Cuomo specifically called out to: right-to-life, pro-assault-weapon, anti-gay

    Why is wanting to preserve human life an extreme position?
    Personally, I favor the right to chose, for myself and others, but never plan to use that right to terminate a life, as is still my right. But far be it for me to deny other the right to chose.

    Why is pro-assault-weapon an extreme position?
    I don't see it as one. I see it as a right to bear arms and 2nd amendment position. Do you realize that it is completely legal and legitimate right for any private citizen to own nearly any weapon system the US military has? It's true. No, I"m not saying that everyone should have a 105mm howitzer set up in their front yard, but the maintaining of the right is significant. Besides, the last statistics that I saw, assault rifles were the least weapon involved of all weapons used in murders. Why take that right away from citizens?

    Anti-gay. You know what? I really don't care what adults do behind closed doors, and I don't think that it's the government's right to be involved or concerned about it either. Just don't shove it my face, is all I ask. Not in the streets. Not on the TV. Not in the movie theaters, unless I seek it out. Changing the context of a term that's been used for centuries to mean one thing, and twist is into a definition to mean something else just doesn't seem right to me. In the eyes of the law exactly equal not one iota difference, fine. Seems that we are overly pro-gay and anti-hetero rather than a reasonable balance between.

    So who exactly was Cuomo addressing? Yeah, there are some nut jobs way over the line on somethings, and he's not tolerant enough to allow them to stay? Really?

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