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    Re: U.S. To Fund Math Education Research in Canada

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    Cool. But what about you?
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    Then how can you really understand what goes on in classrooms? You hear their stories no doubt, but how do you really know for yourself what it is like?
    I don't need to be involved directly in government in order to a.) understand it b.) know what is going on and c.) form an opinion. Do you only comment on issues which you directly have been involved? Of course not (as that was rhetorical). You see, I at one time went to school, and was in a classroom - therefore I have a frame of reference albeit an outdated one. Second, I have people who I speak to daily, who do have direct knowledge and experience and they provide me information.

    To quote myself... "I don't need to step in a pile of steaming **** to know it stinks". That is one of my favorite euphemisms describing why I don't have to have been President of the United States to form an opinion or engage in a debate on the topic.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: U.S. To Fund Math Education Research in Canada

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    Why are you attempting to sidetrack this discussion with your red herrings? If you want to pose that question, do so in another thread. I am not going to take your bait.
    You have already blown your own credibility.
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    Re: U.S. To Fund Math Education Research in Canada

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    I don't need to be involved directly in government in order to a.) understand it b.) know what is going on and c.) form an opinion. Do you only comment on issues which you directly have been involved? Of course not (as that was rhetorical). You see, I at one time went to school, and was in a classroom - therefore I have a frame of reference albeit an outdated one. Second, I have people who I speak to daily, who do have direct knowledge and experience and they provide me information.

    To quote myself... "I don't need to step in a pile of steaming **** to know it stinks". That is one of my favorite euphemisms describing why I don't have to have been President of the United States to form an opinion or engage in a debate on the topic.
    Perhaps I have not elaborated on my concern, and why I asked the question in the first place.

    If one is to attempt to fix a situation, one first needs to understand it. And how does one do that? By listening to those who have the most direct view of the situation. In the case of schools, that description clearly belongs to the teachers. (Students might as well, but responsible adults take children's perspectives with a grain of salt.) There is no way, Ockham, no way to address the shortfalls in our school systems without, at the very least, listening to the teachers. I'm not even asking for their concerns to be satisfied. All I'm asking for is that the people on the front lines of the situation to receive the listening ear that they have earned many, many times over.
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    Re: U.S. To Fund Math Education Research in Canada

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    You have already blown your own credibility.
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    Re: U.S. To Fund Math Education Research in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Perhaps I have not elaborated on my concern, and why I asked the question in the first place.
    If one is to attempt to fix a situation, one first needs to understand it. And how does one do that? By listening to those who have the most direct view of the situation.
    And I agree with that from my first post on this subject.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    In the case of schools, that description clearly belongs to the teachers. (Students might as well, but responsible adults take children's perspectives with a grain of salt.) There is no way, Ockham, no way to address the shortfalls in our school systems without, at the very least, listening to the teachers. I'm not even asking for their concerns to be satisfied. All I'm asking for is that the people on the front lines of the situation to receive the listening ear that they have earned many, many times over.
    I'm not suggesting to ignore teachers. I'm suggesting that there are multiple serious faults in the public school system and the major ones I see are the curriculum (ie., teaching kids to take tests and not teaching kids the material and how to apply that material to their lives), the unions (ie., tenure, fifo), and tax dollars being tied to the local public schools (administrations lock on tax dollars per child). Fix or amend those large issues and what we learn from Canada can actually be implemented. Do not fix or amend those large issues and the investigation was a waste of time and money.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: U.S. To Fund Math Education Research in Canada

    Why wouldn't this research be conducted in this country?
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    Re: U.S. To Fund Math Education Research in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And I agree with that from my first post on this subject.

    I'm not suggesting to ignore teachers. I'm suggesting that there are multiple serious faults in the public school system and the major ones I see are the curriculum (ie., teaching kids to take tests and not teaching kids the material and how to apply that material to their lives),
    Agreed, and this is a problem that has grown exponentially since NCLB.

    the unions (ie., tenure, fifo),
    Ah, yes, the teacher-union bashing. When will people learn that honey attracts more flies than vinegar?

    and tax dollars being tied to the local public schools (administrations lock on tax dollars per child). Fix or amend those large issues and what we learn from Canada can actually be implemented. Do not fix or amend those large issues and the investigation was a waste of time and money.
    And again, if the changes do not start with copious amounts of input from the teachers, then THAT would be the real waste of time and money. As has been done so many times in the past.
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    Re: U.S. To Fund Math Education Research in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Agreed, and this is a problem that has grown exponentially since NCLB.



    Ah, yes, the teacher-union bashing. When will people learn that honey attracts more flies than vinegar?



    And again, if the changes do not start with copious amounts of input from the teachers, then THAT would be the real waste of time and money. As has been done so many times in the past.
    The teachers have been there all along.

    All I have seen from them is whining for increased salaries and no personal competency responsibilities.

    Time for others to step in.
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    Re: U.S. To Fund Math Education Research in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Why are you attempting to sidetrack this discussion with your red herrings?
    No red herring here - only pointing out that you are hypocritically applying a standard to others you appear unwilling to apply to yourself, indicating that the standard you lay out can be effectively ignored

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    Re: U.S. To Fund Math Education Research in Canada

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I don't need to be involved directly in government in order to a.) understand it b.) know what is going on and c.) form an opinion. Do you only comment on issues which you directly have been involved? Of course not (as that was rhetorical). You see, I at one time went to school, and was in a classroom - therefore I have a frame of reference albeit an outdated one. Second, I have people who I speak to daily, who do have direct knowledge and experience and they provide me information.
    Well, she is right when she suggests that the rest of us do not understand the topic from a teachers point of view as well as a teacher would She is simply wrong when (as you note) she attempts to use that like a club to try to discredit dissent.

    To quote myself... "I don't need to step in a pile of steaming **** to know it stinks". That is one of my favorite euphemisms describing why I don't have to have been President of the United States to form an opinion or engage in a debate on the topic.
    Put well enough. Admittedly, I went to a public school, but they did teach me how to read a chart:



    And something stinks.

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