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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're derending him by deflecting. The NSA doesn't work directly for tye GOP. The NSA damn well works directly for the president and you're giving Marse Barack a free pass.
    What am I deflecting? I simply want to know why Marse Boehner hasn't passed any bills about it. It's a reasonable question.


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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    What am I deflecting? I simply want to know why Marse Boehner hasn't passed any bills about it. It's a reasonable question.
    You're deflecting blame onto the Speaker of The House--who the NSA doesn't answer to--instead of The President--who the NSA answers to, directly. Ever hear of Chuck Hagel? Yeah, he's The Secretary of Defense. The NSA falls within The Department of Defense. Chuck Hagel answers directly to The President, not The Speaker of The House.

    All those facts being as they are, there is no bill, passed by Congress forcing the NSA to collect information on American citizens; hence, The President can directly order the surveillance to stop, immediately. Did he? No, he didn't. In fact, he stated frankly that he didn't and wasn't going to. Now, stop trying to cover for The Messiah and place the responsibility squarely where it belongs.
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    In October 2001, President Bush issued a secret presidential order authorizing the NSA to conduct a range of surveillance activities inside of the United States without statutory authorization or court approval, including electronic surveillance of Americans’ telephone and Internet communications. This program of surveillance continues through today, although the legal justifications have changed over time, and works with the major telecommunications and Internet companies.


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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I never thought that EVER - I absolutely hated Bush after that...

    The Patriot Act gave authorities to circumvent the constitution from the local police to the federal government - just like Obama is doing now but you see no problem with that.

    The difference between Bush and Obama is that Bush never could have imagined that any government body would use the Patriot Act for anything other than what it was intended to do - Bush never saw the slippery slope and highly underestimated those in government (or at least trusted them) that were liking their chops just waiting to use it to collect civilian domestic intelligence - just because the door was now open. Or those who saw the open door and figured they could use the cops as their own SS units.

    I saw that from the beginning but it was Obama and the NSA, and bitches like Napolitano who get golf claps for lying and degrading and condemning guys like Edward Snowden that exposed the whole ****ing thing...

    You don't want real transparency - you want talk of it - you want an authoritarian government that spies on you everyday just to make sure you're recycling and living a progressive lifestyle...

    Those are individual choices people have to make NOT collective choices - then you're bewildered why I compare progressives to Stalin, Hitler, Mao etc....???
    Oh, yeah, Bush was SUCH a stand-up kinda' guy - he didn't suspect ...
    The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.

    The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans — most of whom aren't suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews.
    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...5-10-nsa_x.htm

    Note the date of the article: "Updated 5/11/2006 12:31 AM ET"

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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Collecting this information isn't mandated by law. There's nothing keeping Marse Barack from just orfering the NSA to end the operation.
    Where was the Republican outrage in 2006?
    Q: What was the NSA doing?

    A: The NSA collected "call-detail" records. That's telephone industry lingo for the numbers being dialed. Phone customers' names, addresses and other personal information are not being collected as part of this program. The agency, however, has the means to assemble that sort of information, if it so chooses.

    Q: When did this start?

    A: After the Sept. 11 attacks.

    Q: Can I find out if my call records were collected?

    A: No. The NSA's work is secret, and the agency won't publicly discuss its operations.

    Q: Why did they do this?

    A: The agency won't say officially. But sources say it was a way to identify, and monitor, people suspected of terrorist activities.

    Q: But I'm not calling terrorists. Why do they need my calls?

    A: By cross-checking a vast database of phone calling records, NSA experts can try to pick out patterns that help identify people involved in terrorism.
    USATODAY.com - Questions and answers about the NSA phone record collection program

    Again, note the article date: Updated 5/11/2006 12:31 AM ET
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're deflecting blame onto the Speaker of The House--who the NSA doesn't answer to--instead of The President--who the NSA answers to, directly. Ever hear of Chuck Hagel? Yeah, he's The Secretary of Defense. The NSA falls within The Department of Defense. Chuck Hagel answers directly to The President, not The Speaker of The House.

    All those facts being as they are, there is no bill, passed by Congress forcing the NSA to collect information on American citizens; hence, The President can directly order the surveillance to stop, immediately. Did he? No, he didn't. In fact, he stated frankly that he didn't and wasn't going to. Now, stop trying to cover for The Messiah and place the responsibility squarely where it belongs.
    On the Republicans who passed the Patriot Act in the first place?


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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    On the Republicans who passed the Patriot Act in the first place?
    No, on both, did Obama or democrats retire the Patriot Act?
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, on both, did Obama or democrats retire the Patriot Act?
    I do blame both. I'm trying to get certain hacks off of their "Democrats evil, Republicans good" line.


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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    J-mac, if you've paid any attention at all to my meme, you would know that I'm a big critic of partisans who are quiet when their president is doing it and quite vocal when the other guys is. So while I agree with the criticism directed at Obama, I'm pointing out that Bush and others have done it as well. Point being, because of partisans support, it just continues.

    Said another way, if apdst was criticising his president as well for doing the same, then I'd be saying nothing to him about it.
    See, I understand that, and although I can't speak for adpst, I can tell you that during the Bush administration from my prospective, I think he did a reasonably good job. I wasn't totally on board with the Spying stuff, (primarily for this reason we have today) but at the same time, I don't think that Bush was turning it on American citizens the way this President is doing either.

    As to the comparisons, many do this to justify what Obama is doing today, or to deflect arguments about the 'here and now' trying to obfuscate. Even more frustrating are those that smugly present their arguments as though anyone not agreeing with them are just partisan hacks, and should be dismissed out of hand.

    I only asked if you were comparing to justify Obama's use of the NSA as it stands today, if so, I would have said that justifications based on the "he did it too" arguments are just plain fallacious and if you support Obama, or what he is doing you should have more to rest on in that regard....

    Thanks for the reply.
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I do blame both. I'm trying to get certain hacks off of their "Democrats evil, Republicans good" line.
    Don't let me get in the way of that!
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