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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

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    You find it ironic that presidents aren't held to constitutional standards by their partisan supporters. Why is that?
    I find it ironic thst you're making the charge.
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    He does what he needs to do to gain the advantage. If that's playing aggressive by ignoring laws or bypassing laws that's fine with him. If it's getting caught with his pants down and then making obvious and fake steps to placate the people who are outraged to lower the heat, that's fine with him too. What I like is that you believe people can only act one way and it's the false choice method.
    None of this changes the two-faced position many Republicans and even some Independents have taken where they've been quick to accuse President Obama for allegedly abusing his executive power one minute but then accuse him of playing politics the next when he shows an acute understanding of the limits of his powers, as well as, the process of governing - in this case, placing responsibility w/Congress to change the mechanics of a law they made given their Constitutional enumerated powers. You call it placating; I call it knowing the limits of your authority AND showing leadership by:

    1) informing Congress what aspects of the NSA surveillance have worked and which ones threaten civil liberties;
    2) suggesting ways to go about protecting privacy rights;
    3) suggesting what legal and ethical aspects of the law to keep in place in order to continue protecting the country against terrorist threats; and,
    4) Challenging Congress to do their job considering that he has now done his by listening to folks in the Intelligence Community and recommending changes.

    Firstly, this isn't leadership. A lack of leadership has been consistent.
    Again, I fully disagree with you, but you're entitled to your opinion.

    Second... what's a "special judge" - one with turrets syndrome perhaps?
    Can't answer that, but let me ask you this: Considering that House and Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman/Chairwoman, Rep. Mike Rogers and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, respectively, echoed the legal findings from Congressional NSA hearings stating, "the [NSA surveillance] program did not have abuses. This wasn't sinister. It wasn't a rogue agency. It was legal and proper," I wonder would you rather we go back to all the illegal activity that's took place since the FISA court was established in 1978 (1978-2005)?
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's actually a lot of hot air. What or who is the "special judge"?

    Sounds like lip service to placate the masses. Leaving it up to Congress so when nothing or little is done, he has plausible deniability by saying "Well, I tried. It's all Congress fault."

    Most likely a FISA judge of some sort.

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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

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    WHO HERE HAS SAID TO GET RID OF THE NSA?

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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Sorry, I deleted that post...realized I had already responded to his post earlier...forgot I had. lol

    But seriously...get rid of the NSA? We sorta need it for other which might mean us harm countries.
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Sorry, I deleted that post...realized I had already responded to his post earlier...forgot I had. lol

    But seriously...get rid of the NSA? We sorta need it for other which might mean us harm countries.
    don't we already have the CIA doing that?
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    But seriously...get rid of the NSA? We sorta need it for other which might mean us harm countries.
    The NSA can't even provide one example of terrorist activity that it has caught and stopped. The fact that acts of terrorism have occurred multiple times over the last 15 years seems to indicate that the NSA is largely incompetent. The only thing they are good at is violating our rights and then desperately trying to lie about it when they get caught with their pants down. Getting rid of the NSA would not mean that all of our foreign intelligence would disappear.

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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

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    don't we already have the CIA doing that?
    Does anyone really know what the CIA does?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    The NSA can't even provide one example of terrorist activity that it has caught and stopped. The fact that acts of terrorism have occurred multiple times over the last 15 years seems to indicate that the NSA is largely incompetent. The only thing they are good at is violating our rights and then desperately trying to lie about it when they get caught with their pants down. Getting rid of the NSA would not mean that all of our foreign intelligence would disappear.
    Bold: What was asked of them in showing the proof was in regards to the meta-data gathering of millions of American's data. That admission has nothing to do with any other form of information gathering and them having stopped terrorist attacks.
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Does anyone really know what the CIA does?
    They spy on people in other countries.

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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    None of this changes the two-faced position many Republicans and even some Independents have taken where they've been quick to accuse President Obama for allegedly abusing his executive power one minute but then accuse him of playing politics the next when he shows an acute understanding of the limits of his powers, as well as, the process of governing - in this case, placing responsibility w/Congress to change the mechanics of a law they made given their Constitutional enumerated powers. You call it placating; I call it knowing the limits of your authority AND showing leadership by:
    Placating and playing politics...

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    1) informing Congress what aspects of the NSA surveillance have worked and which ones threaten civil liberties;
    2) suggesting ways to go about protecting privacy rights;
    3) suggesting what legal and ethical aspects of the law to keep in place in order to continue protecting the country against terrorist threats; and,
    4) Challenging Congress to do their job considering that he has now done his by listening to folks in the Intelligence Community and recommending changes.
    I wouldn't describe these in any way as showing leadership. I'd call it limiting the blow back damage. His suggestions have no teeth and are fluffy meaningless drivel. Challenging congress? :lol That's a good one - when public opinion has Congress at what -- 9% or 12% approval? Throwing this back on Congress's shoulders will do exactly zero and he knows it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Again, I fully disagree with you, but you're entitled to your opinion.
    You're definition of what is and is not leadership is then quite different than mine. Were I to use your definition of it and try to apply it in the non Washington political world, would mean certain and swift disaster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Can't answer that, but let me ask you this: Considering that House and Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman/Chairwoman, Rep. Mike Rogers and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, respectively, echoed the legal findings from Congressional NSA hearings stating, "the [NSA surveillance] program did not have abuses. This wasn't sinister. It wasn't a rogue agency. It was legal and proper," I wonder would you rather we go back to all the illegal activity that's took place since the FISA court was established in 1978 (1978-2005)?
    "Special judge" is meaningless... just more fluff to throw at the American people that means nothing and goes no where. The Rodgers Feinstein ... that's just more Washington CYA. Let's put it this way, Obama has a pen and a phone right? He could end this tomorrow but doesn't. Simple as that.
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