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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I never thought that EVER - I absolutely hated Bush after that...

    The Patriot Act gave authorities to circumvent the constitution from the local police to the federal government - just like Obama is doing now but you see no problem with that.

    The difference between Bush and Obama is that Bush never could have imagined that any government body would use the Patriot Act for anything other than what it was intended to do - Bush never saw the slippery slope and highly underestimated those in government (or at least trusted them) that were liking their chops just waiting to use it to collect civilian domestic intelligence - just because the door was now open. Or those who saw the open door and figured they could use the cops as their own SS units.

    I saw that from the beginning but it was Obama and the NSA, and bitches like Napolitano who get golf claps for lying and degrading and condemning guys like Edward Snowden that exposed the whole ****ing thing...

    You don't want real transparency - you want talk of it - you want an authoritarian government that spies on you everyday just to make sure you're recycling and living a progressive lifestyle...

    Those are individual choices people have to make NOT collective choices - then you're bewildered why I compare progressives to Stalin, Hitler, Mao etc....???
    Essentially your saying Bush was too naive to know what the patriot act was opening up. You think he was unaware of the Church committee?
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Progressives went bat**** over the Patriot Act and Obama is spying on everyone and the progressives don't give one **** about it.

    It's amazing.

    It really goes to show how far having an (R) or (D) after your name means to some people. If it's a (D) you can do whatever the **** you want and if it's an (R) you're a fascist warmongering pig rich white racist....

    Both can do the same **** - some like Obama (D) can take it to the extreme but no progressive gives a **** about that.

    At least constitutional republicans, libertarians and other patriot groups called bull**** with the Patriot Act - I don't see that happening with Obama supporters - they will love that mother****er no matter what he does. He could eat a baby and progressives wouldn't bat an eye at it just as long as Jay Carney spun it the right way - a way progressives could rationalize it.
    This is all true Nick. Unfortunately, the very same criticisms would have applied to the righties when their man (Bush) was president. Such is the danger of partisans. The partisan who elevates his party position above his citizenship is what's a threat to me, not the president, for we Americans could stop this **** anytime we want. But no, the lefties protect the president when he's a democrat, and the righties protect their president when he's a republican. And you partisans spend thread after thread pointing your fingers at each other instead of at the president and DEMANDING! He follow constitutional law.
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Maybe for once the left and right should stop pointing fingers long enough to fix what most on both sides agree is a huge problem. The intolerance that prevents you from even agreeing and working together for a mutually beneficial cause is exactly what they count on. Who cares who is more to blame? It seems apparent to me that the government is going to work against our best interests regardless of who the president is. Did it ever occur to you that maybe both sides are wrong, and that it will only get worse as long as we allow the government to do whatever it wants while we fight over petty bull****?
    No matter how hard we try to get this point across, they won't have it. It's as though they prefer the arguing and finger pointing to our presidents actually following our constitution!
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Who's defending him? If the wonderful, all good GOP is so against it, where's the bill? It should pass the House easily, don't you think?
    You're derending him by deflecting. The NSA doesn't work directly for tye GOP. The NSA damn well works directly for the president and you're giving Marse Barack a free pass.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're derending him by deflecting. The NSA doesn't work directly for tye GOP. The NSA damn well works directly for the president and you're giving Marse Barack a free pass.
    And so has every president, but again, partisans are the problem.
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And so has every president, but again, partisans are the problem.
    Your comment is the pinnacle of irony.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Your comment is the pinnacle of irony.
    I assure you it was not done intentionally and not intended to be humorous.

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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I assure you it was not done intentionally and not intended to be humorous.
    I have no doubt, my friend.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Your comment is the pinnacle of irony.
    You find it ironic that presidents aren't held to constitutional standards by their partisan supporters. Why is that?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I assure you it was not done intentionally and not intended to be humorous.
    Of course it wasn't. What would be humorous about presidents acting contrary to our constitution with partisan support.
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