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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I suppose he could, but could you imagine the outcry from Congressional Repubs? Most of them are completely happy with it. I mean, he did inherit it from Marse George didn't he? Something that Marse George passed through a Congress that was friendly to him, as I recall.
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yep, that's the one. And the underlying tone of Obama's speech yesterday was security. I'd like to see a transcript of the speech and count the times he used the word, and justified and defended the program on it.
    I don't know about anyone else, but I used to feel a lot more secure before we had drones flying around spying on everyone, and learning that our e-mails and other private correspondence was being monitored, recorded and stored somewhere. I haven't changed, but our government sure has, and not for the better! It almost seems sometimes that they are hoping for a reason to cause riots and other civil unrest so they can declare martial law and do away with all the liberties we haven't lost yet. Could this happen In America? Horrifyingly unbelievable!

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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Q: Will the government get out of my phone records?

    A: For now, the NSA will keep collecting and storing call data.

    The program gathers the phone numbers called and the length of conversations, but not the content of the calls. Obama says the NSA needs to tap those records sometimes to find people linked to suspected terrorists.

    But eventually he wants the bulk data to be stored somewhere out of the government’s hands, to reduce the risk that the information will be abused.
    Of course they're still going to gather the data. The government doesn't care about The Peoples Right to Privacy....or any Right really.

    Bold: You have GOT to be FREAKING KIDDING ME!!! Reduce the risk by putting it in private corporations hands? They already collect all the data that they legally can and sell it to the highest bidder or use it themselves and now they're going to get the Federal Governments help in doing this crap? Jesus H. Christ.

    In the meantime, Obama ordered two immediate changes:

    —Analysts hunting through data will have to stay a little closer to the original suspected terrorist or organization. They will be able to look at communications two steps away, instead of three.
    —The administration will require a special judge’s advance approval before intelligence agencies can examine someone’s data. The NSA has been able to decide for itself whether it has reasonable cause to run a query.
    Underlined: Yeah...right. *sniffs* I smell BS here.
    Bold: What...you mean the very same judge/s that OK'd the NSA's ability to collect the data in the first place? Fat lot of good that is going to do.

    Q: What about the NSA reading my email or watching my online activities?

    A: The bulk collection of online data is supposed to target only people outside the United States, as part of national security investigations. But it does end up sweeping up information about some Americans in the process. Obama asked Holder and Clapper to consider whether new privacy safeguards could be added.
    Didn't actually answer the question. The answer implies that the info gathered from emails and online activities is only gotten through the process of collecting that data while investigating foreign emails and online activities and terrorist activities, IE "collateral damage". The question however was asking about all the email and online activities gathered as a meta data process. In otherwords the data that was gathered from millions of people that they had no reason to gather data about. You know..innocent civilians of the United States.

    Q: What about the phone calls and emails of people living abroad?

    A: Obama says the U.S. should respect the privacy of non-Americans, too. He said he will extend to foreigners some of the protections against spying that apply to U.S. citizens. He directed Holder and Clapper to look into new restrictions on how long the U.S. can hold data collected overseas and how that data is used.

    The U.S. won’t spy on ordinary people who don’t threaten national security, Obama says.

    He issued a directive saying that intelligence-gathering can’t be employed to suppress criticism of the United States or provide a competitive advantage to U.S. companies.
    Underlined: : What a joke. It's already been shown that they completely ignore the most important restriction that there is...the Right to Privacy. Like this "new" restriction is actually going to be followed. . Not to mention they could just put a "limit" of 150 years and they would "technically" be following that rule...despite the fact that those people would be long dead and the info would be worthless anyways.

    Bold: Double speak. Who is it that determines who is a threat and who isn't? Oh yeah...the government. Who obviously considers EVERYONE to be a threat except themselves. And even that is debateable at times.

    Rest: And just how is this going to be enforced? Supposedly the IRS doing what they did regarding suppressing "wasn't the governments fault". If they can't control their own people then why should we believe this clap trap? Assuming he's telling the truth of course. Next to Bush and a few other Presidents Obama ranks among the top 10 of the biggest liars so we really have no reason to believe this.

    I could say much more regarding these "questions and answers" but quite frankly I'm already wading hip deep in crap from the BS answers given in that article and my hip waders are only so big.
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I don't know about anyone else, but I used to feel a lot more secure before we had drones flying around spying on everyone, and learning that our e-mails and other private correspondence was being monitored, recorded and stored somewhere. I haven't changed, but our government sure has, and not for the better! It almost seems sometimes that they are hoping for a reason to cause riots and other civil unrest so they can declare martial law and do away with all the liberties we haven't lost yet. Could this happen In America? Horrifyingly unbelievable!
    An excerpt from President Eisenhower’s January 17th, 1961 farewell speech. Ironically, Obama used the same day to make his NSA speech.

    “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

    “We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.”

    He (President (General) Eisenhower) has also been quoted as saying, when speaking to aides “I know those boys” (down at the Pentagon and worry that) “one day there’s going to be a president that knows less about the military than I do”

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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Redbeard View Post
    An excerpt from President Eisenhower’s January 17th, 1961 farewell speech. Ironically, Obama used the same day to make his NSA speech.

    “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

    “We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.”

    He (President (General) Eisenhower) has also been quoted as saying, when speaking to aides “I know those boys” (down at the Pentagon and worry that) “one day there’s going to be a president that knows less about the military than I do”
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's NEVER Marse Barack's fault!...lol!
    He could do everything you think he should, and then you'd be leading the charge against him for "not keeping us safe." You know it to, or you would if you had the ability to be honest.

    So when's Boehner going to pass that bill to get rid of the NSA forever. I'm waiting. I'll support it. Where is it?


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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    He could do everything you think he should, and then you'd be leading the charge against him for "not keeping us safe." You know it to, or you would if you had the ability to be honest.

    So when's Boehner going to pass that bill to get rid of the NSA forever. I'm waiting. I'll support it. Where is it?
    A common meme. Not true for everyone. I know I never blamed the government for 9/11, Timothy McVeigh, Newtown Shooting, Chicago's bombings. Etc etc. See, I like to blame the people that are actually at fault.
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    I have said this in another thread, but I will say it again.

    All the reforms basically sounded to me like Obama saying "next time we won't get caught"
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    All I know about NSA today and other intelligence and security agencies in the past is that those who are complaining and hollering about the over reach of them are always or will be the first ones to holler about this country not doing enough to protect them when another terrorist attack occurs in the states. They will be wanting to know why the government didn’t do more.
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    "In some cases, Obama ordered the Justice Department and spy agencies to figure out how to implement new privacy protections, which will take time."

    Why does this take time? Stop ****ing spying on people. Those responsible should be in a cell.

    "Obama asked Holder and Clapper to consider whether new privacy safeguards could be added."

    Cool, well we are not asking. This article makes it pretty clear that very little to nothing will actually be done about this. How long are we going to tolerate it? How many of our rights needs to be walked on by the government? All of these slime balls are playing for the same team.
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