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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's NEVER Obama's fault, either...lol!
    I said it was their fault for not getting rid of it. However anything that occurred before Obama became President I do not blame him for. The programs were in place, and I think the record of both parties is that they both want it as long as it's not the other guys.

    In 2017, when we likely have a Republican President, you'll be singing a different tune. I guarantee it.


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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Anything is possible I suppose, however, we are in the here and now. I have always held a certain bit of skepticism about the Patriot act, and the power it gave to government as opposed to liberty lost, and at its inception, things were different than today. Now you can continue to chide me for a lack of forward thinking at the time, or you can look at how the current administration, and politicians on both sides are addressing this and agree that while we need to be able to take measures to listen, or track certain numbers in contact within the US, but that mass grabs of information are not acceptable. This whole 'you were fine with Bush having it' argument is pointless.
    I only made a half-hearted pursuit at "you were fine with Bush" because you said as much and made excuses for him.

    Regardless, the leadership of both parties is fully behind these programs. Both deserve a certain amount of blame.


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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Since then, the Democrats have had control of the Legislative Executive Branches and didn't do anything. Obama flat stated he wasn't going to stop the surveillance. It's his show, now.
    And, thus, it's convenient for yourself and others to condemn and criticize this Democratic President for his current take on the NSA surveillance program and yet where were you critics when Republicans expanded the scope of this program (which began in 1978, BTW, under Pres. Carter) post-9/11 (re: Patriot Act)? Granted, Democrats didn't end the program, but here again in a post-9/11 world where the enemy hides behind wireless communications and the World Wide Web, I can't say I blame them. But atleast they did something to try and limit NSA's authority and halt some of our intelligence agency's illegal activity (re: USAPatriot Act reauthorization, 2006). Can't say the same thing for the party who believes in doing damned near anything it wants as long as it can justify its actions in the name of "national security" even if it means dummying down many of the revisions put forward back that were suppose to protect civil liberties (speaking specifically of how House Republicans in 2006 watered down the USAPatriot Act prior to its reauthorization).
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    And, thus, it's convenient for yourself and others to condemn and criticize this Democratic President for his current take on the NSA surveillance program and yet where were you critics when Republicans expanded the scope of this program (which began in 1978, BTW, under Pres. Carter) post-9/11 (re: Patriot Act)? Granted, Democrats didn't end the program, but here again in a post-9/11 world where the enemy hides behind wireless communications and the World Wide Web, I can't say I blame them. But atleast they did something to try and limit NSA's authority and halt some of our intelligence agency's illegal activity (re: USAPatriot Act reauthorization, 2006). Can't say the same thing for the party who believes in doing damned near anything it wants as long as it can justify its actions in the name of "national security" even if it means dummying down many of the revisions put forward back that were suppose to protect civil liberties (speaking specifically of how House Republicans in 2006 watered down the USAPatriot Act prior to its reauthorization).
    That was then; this is now. Where YOU...NOW? Why are you giving Obama a free pass, NOW?
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes well point taken. Far more Americans are partisan than not. And not all independents are TRULY independent. Until the TRULY independent, liberty minded and constitutionally focused Americans out number partisans, we can expect the status quo. Why protecting ones party president trumps the law, no longer amazes me, and it will eventually deliver us something none of us want.
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I only made a half-hearted pursuit at "you were fine with Bush" because you said as much and made excuses for him.
    yep, different time, and a far different program.

    Regardless, the leadership of both parties is fully behind these programs. Both deserve a certain amount of blame.
    So, in the Bush/Obama dynamic where would you place the "certain" ratio at? 50/50? 60/40? 80/20? and why?
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I said it was their fault for not getting rid of it. However anything that occurred before Obama became President I do not blame him for. The programs were in place, and I think the record of both parties is that they both want it as long as it's not the other guys.

    In 2017, when we likely have a Republican President, you'll be singing a different tune. I guarantee it.
    Obamanistas flat refuse to criticize Obama for ANYthing. It's incredible.
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's NEVER Obama's fault, either...lol!
    And it is/was never the Republicans fault, let alone Master Bush - who's really just a scrub.
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

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    And it is/was never the Republicans fault, let alone Master Bush - who's really just a scrub.
    You'll say anything to cover for Obama.
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    Re: Questions and answers about Obama’s new NSA rules

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You'll say anything to cover for Obama.
    I made no comment about Obama at all. I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy.
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