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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I still dont believe your 'genius permit' approach would work for current smokers but you may have a point about keeping new ones from starting.
    No, I don't want to tamper with existing smokers. Let them get their permits after signing off that they understand the risks and they may not sell or transfer their purchases. The main idea is to keep new ones from starting.

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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    But there's already a black market in cigs....I can only see that growing and creating more crime. At least for another generation or so.

    Besides...I know humans... as do you...and the 'threat' of being cut off will not be taken seriously and they'll still put it off until the last minute and it really wont make any difference for them. I speak for myself of course...not with cigs but I have been positively reinforced for procrastination so many times in life that I find that am willing to risk it.
    No, I don't want to cut anyone off. I just want to make it unlikely for new addicts. Let the current addicts have their permit and smoke if the want. There won't be much of a black market that way. Purchases can be tracked in the same system they track ephedrine now. They don't stop you from buying it - but they track how much you buy. Limit it to 3 packs a day or so, thats 90 packs a month, enough for even the heaviest smoker.

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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    No, I don't want to cut anyone off. I just want to make it unlikely for new addicts. Let the current addicts have their permit and smoke if the want. There won't be much of a black market that way. Purchases can be tracked in the same system they track ephedrine now. They don't stop you from buying it - but they track how much you buy. Limit it to 3 packs a day or so, thats 90 packs a month, enough for even the heaviest smoker.
    I thought you said they would be cut off after 3 months?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Judges around here won't even hear a case, people were told and ignored the warnings, it is on them
    Member that big ol' Tobacco case that was gonna fund schools and set up health funds for smokers?
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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I thought you said they would be cut off after 3 months?
    No, I meant that they had 3 months to get registered. Then, the permit is good for life. Make more sense now?

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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    No, I meant that they had 3 months to get registered. Then, the permit is good for life. Make more sense now?
    It makes sense but I would only support it if the program paid for itself and not tax dollars (well cig taxes fine). I am NOT a fan of more bureaucracy, period.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It makes sense but I would only support it if the program paid for itself and not tax dollars (well cig taxes fine). I am NOT a fan of more bureaucracy, period.
    Neither am I a bureaucracy fan but sometimes, it is all we have. The permits can be charged for. The Doctors charge for the exam. The cigarette taxes are a lot of positive revenue even in decline. And this way someday we can be smokefree. The tracking system is already in place so no extra cost.

    This is more law but it is society positive and deprives nobody. Or should we just let new addicts come on board forever on behalf of Lorillard or Philip Morris? The time has come.

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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Thank you. I was surprised to see you absolving yourself of responsibility, or some responsibility, for smoking but considering your age...you started when everyone smoked. It was a common part of society and I'm pretty sure today that younger people dont realize that ashtrays used to be decorator items part of home and office decor and they were commonly given as wedding gifts. And of course, you remember the cigarette commercials. So do I, barely.

    How many people here can remember being on airlines when smoking was still allowed?
    I do and I am just in my mid 30s.

    To echo some of what you are saying.. Even Generation X and Y grew up around smoking. It wasn't banned by Uncle Sam in a federal work place until 1997, FAA/Airlines didn't ban completely until 1998 (short flights 2 hours or less was banned in 1988, 1989 6 hour flights or shorter), States didn't start getting gung ho about banning it until the late 90's and 2000's (California being the first in 1995), Ads started getting banned in 1997, and Cities then got involved. This idea of smoking being massively bad for you and being "banned" out of existence is fairly new. Some States have no ban still, some states ban smoking places but not some places.

    But now for the irony.. we fund a children's healthcare program (CHIP/SCHIP) through tobacco taxes. So Uncle Sam needs smokers to pay for it, if smoking declined that program would have no funding.
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