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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    The only explanation I have is that most politicians love to spend money, even if they have to borrow that money from others. Unfortunately, most of them are lawyers, not economists. The handwriting is on the wall, though. For the past 50 years a country such as Australia, or Chile, or France, as examples, who wanted to buy oil from Saudi Arabia had to first convert their currency into dollars to pay for that oil, since the dollar is the world's reserve currency, and was accepted by everybody for buying and selling. Recently, though, more and more large countries are in the process of bypassing the dollar, since they are becoming alarmed by our inability to control our debt, and hence, the dollar's worth. If enough countries join in the argument, it will not be good for us, since we enjoy some monetary perks by being the reserve currency for the world, such as borrowing at a lower cost, which saves us at least $ 100 billion dollars a year in interest charges. I don't want to see us losing our reserve currency status, but it looks like we might, and sooner than anyone expects. When the MSM, and the wealthiest people in the world, start talking about the possibility, which they are, we'd better pay attention!
    For the moment, perhaps. It apparently is in the process of changing, as more and more countries are becoming alarmed at our inability to control the dollar's worth.
    It is completely illogical that the dollar is worth anything, let alone being the hottest currency out there.

    Money is not quite real. It's an artifice. It's a representation of value printed on nice paper. So once you recognize that money is a form of theater, you can see that the show must go on. The world simply has to have a monetary god they can believe in and worship. The more dollars we create (and exchange for things of substance) the more money floats around the world. Lets imagine the US with no foreign debt and a perfect balance or surplus in balance of trade. What would these other people use? Drachmas? Francs? Yen? these countries can't supply that much money. So, attacking the dollar is like burning down the theater with your family inside. Oh, yeah, another thing. Who would they store their money with? Bank Of China?

    As I watched the debt soar from the first billion (yes, billion) to the current 17 trillion, I knew this wasn't right. But this is where I found my proof that my theater theory was correct. Pissing away money is what we are destined to do. If we stop, everything stops.

    Sound crazy? Think about it for a bit.

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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Three Score and Ten. The age of wisdom and approaching oblivion. Biblically speaking, I am now on borrowed time. May I ask why you ask?
    Thank you. I was surprised to see you absolving yourself of responsibility, or some responsibility, for smoking but considering your age...you started when everyone smoked. It was a common part of society and I'm pretty sure today that younger people dont realize that ashtrays used to be decorator items part of home and office decor and they were commonly given as wedding gifts. And of course, you remember the cigarette commercials. So do I, barely.

    How many people here can remember being on airlines when smoking was still allowed?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Thank you. I was surprised to see you absolving yourself of responsibility, or some responsibility, for smoking but considering your age...you started when everyone smoked. It was a common part of society and I'm pretty sure today that younger people dont realize that ashtrays used to be decorator items part of home and office decor and they were commonly given as wedding gifts. And of course, you remember the cigarette commercials. So do I, barely.

    How many people here can remember being on airlines when smoking was still allowed?



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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Thank you. I was surprised to see you absolving yourself of responsibility, or some responsibility, for smoking but considering your age...you started when everyone smoked. It was a common part of society and I'm pretty sure today that younger people dont realize that ashtrays used to be decorator items part of home and office decor and they were commonly given as wedding gifts. And of course, you remember the cigarette commercials. So do I, barely.

    How many people here can remember being on airlines when smoking was still allowed?
    I believe it was 1985 when smoking on planes ended. I left for Asia in 1963 so for 22 years I smoked thousands of cigarettes on airplanes, along with all the other passengers.

    Even today - the warnings on cigarettes address health and pregnancy. They hardly clarify the depth of addiction you can almost certainly expect. Oddly, Doctors issue pain pills that don't make it clear that they are pharmaceutical heroin.

    So, yes, I still place a share (a lesser share but still...) on the manufacturers and their enablers.

    That has nothing to do with personal responsibility. Earning a living is a responsibility regardless of addictions. For tobacco, it's only been 3 years since a viable alternative has been available and I'm shocked at the passion with which the solution (Ecigs) is despised and demeaned to protect the cigarette manufacturers/dealers.

    To illustrate the partnership between the "dealers": and the government, there are only 2 escapes from opiate addiction. Methadone, which is a ludicrous substitute for who you dealer is (instead of crackpipe Mike you get as sleazy Doctor) and Suboxen, an easily used substitute which can not be used recreationally and was refillable. Now, I see they are going after Suboxen to protect the Methadone dealers.

    A usual, it's all about the Benjamins.

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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    I think the New Zealand approach could work, just double taxes every year.

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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    I think the New Zealand approach could work, just double taxes every year.
    How cruel to the poorer people who are addicted. Eventually, they might turn to crime, just as some heroin addicts do.

    What I would like to see is ending the sale of cigarettes. They should be sold in pharmacies to only those with a prescription evidencing they are already addicts. These permits would be issued for 3 months after the law passes and no more after that. That would end the problem without harming those already trapped. Of course, that would cost billions to the Big Tobacco people and has zero chance of happening.

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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    How cruel to the poorer people who are addicted. Eventually, they might turn to crime, just as some heroin addicts do.

    What I would like to see is ending the sale of cigarettes. They should be sold in pharmacies to only those with a prescription evidencing they are already addicts. These permits would be issued for 3 months after the law passes and no more after that. That would end the problem without harming those already trapped. Of course, that would cost billions to the Big Tobacco people and has zero chance of happening.
    Once the baby boomer generation is gone that probably won't be that much of an issue and we can use some of the tax revenue to fund subsidies for products to help quit smoking.

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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Once the baby boomer generation is gone that probably won't be that much of an issue and we can use some of the tax revenue to fund subsidies for products to help quit smoking.
    Why new smokers are created every day is a mystery but right now some 14 year old is trying his first smoke. Until they are truly restricted, they will endure long past the baby boomers.

    I've thought about this a lot and only my genius permit approach has any hope of solving the problem. As long as cigarettes are widely old and advertised, they will not go away and yet they should.

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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    How cruel to the poorer people who are addicted. Eventually, they might turn to crime, just as some heroin addicts do.

    What I would like to see is ending the sale of cigarettes. They should be sold in pharmacies to only those with a prescription evidencing they are already addicts. These permits would be issued for 3 months after the law passes and no more after that. That would end the problem without harming those already trapped. Of course, that would cost billions to the Big Tobacco people and has zero chance of happening.
    But there's already a black market in cigs....I can only see that growing and creating more crime. At least for another generation or so.

    Besides...I know humans... as do you...and the 'threat' of being cut off will not be taken seriously and they'll still put it off until the last minute and it really wont make any difference for them. I speak for myself of course...not with cigs but I have been positively reinforced for procrastination so many times in life that I find that am willing to risk it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Why new smokers are created every day is a mystery but right now some 14 year old is trying his first smoke. Until they are truly restricted, they will endure long past the baby boomers.

    I've thought about this a lot and only my genius permit approach has any hope of solving the problem. As long as cigarettes are widely old and advertised, they will not go away and yet they should.
    I still dont believe your 'genius permit' approach would work for current smokers but you may have a point about keeping new ones from starting.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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