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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, 2014: "The tobacco industry continues to introduce and market new products that establish and maintain nicotine addiction," Friday's report says. The percentage of middle and high school students who use electronic or e-cigarettes more than doubled between 2011 and 2012.....snip~
    What a ridiculous statistic that is meaningless without the %. Besides, how many of those students were already smoking Tabaco cigs ? How many quit smoking because of e-cigs? Even the FDA says taking nicotine in other ways than smoking is far safer. Don't you want our kids to quit smoking those cancer sticks?

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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well SB.....we have been known to mellow those out from NY and L.A, literally!!!!!......its a shame they are all ran by the left who have proved for decades they can never get it Right.
    I assume "never get it Right" is a pun.

    Well, for all their flaws and ludicrous laws, these are the three seats of power and money in America. So, how can we be sure they got it wrong? I mean, I can't abide either of the three but that's where the money is. I feel like we should learn something from this - but what?

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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I assume "never get it Right" is a pun.

    Well, for all their flaws and ludicrous laws, these are the three seats of power and money in America. So, how can we be sure they got it wrong? I mean, I can't abide either of the three but that's where the money is. I feel like we should learn something from this - but what?

    I think that 50 years or more of constantly being in debt and looking to file bankruptcy as states.....says it all. Don't you?

    Yeah.....we learned that the Democrats have Champagne tastes and a beer pocketbook.

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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    What a ridiculous statistic that is meaningless without the %. Besides, how many of those students were already smoking Tabaco cigs ? How many quit smoking because of e-cigs? Even the FDA says taking nicotine in other ways than smoking is far safer. Don't you want our kids to quit smoking those cancer sticks?

    Yeah.....I would like to see damn near most of the country quit smoking. Then we can watch these Politicians panic about the money they can't make off it, anymore.

    Some will straight out have a heart attack.....course if they did want to solve the problem. Then put the tobacco companies out of Business and don't make Cigarettes anymore.

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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Smoking doesn't "cause cancer" people are either predisposed to cancer of the lungs, throat, mouth etc or they're not - smoking may exceed the inevitable...

    We all die of cancer - when we die of old age we die of cancer.

    Cancer is genetics...... There is no cause for cancer...

    That's why 2-year-olds are born with cancer -- it's not a ****ing disease it's an illness.
    I've always found the cancer hype built up around cigarettes to be amusing. The truth is that they are in the same class of carcinogens as wood shavings and tylenol. Some people can smoke a quarter of pack a day for two years and wind up with some form of cancer while others can smoke 5 packs a day for 40 years and never have so much as a malignant cell their entire life. I'm inclined to agree that smoking cigarettes is either incidental or, at worst, merely one of a combination of factors when it comes to cancer.
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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Genetics are a major factor in cancer - well unless you were part of government experiments... Or the unfortunate communities that had experiments tested on you (small scale experiments)...

    The cold war really ****ed everyone up didn't they?

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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I think that 50 years or more of constantly being in debt and looking to file bankruptcy as states.....says it all. Don't you?

    Yeah.....we learned that the Democrats have Champagne tastes and a beer pocketbook.
    Can you bring me up to speed about states filing bankruptcy? I never heard of this before. But I looked and think you are wrong State bankruptcy bill imminent, Gingrich says | Reuters Are you thinking of cities maybe?

    Not sure you're correct about that beer pocketbook either. California is the 8th largest economy in the world. New York is the financial center of the world. Illinois provides thick, juicy steaks.

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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I've always found the cancer hype built up around cigarettes to be amusing. The truth is that they are in the same class of carcinogens as wood shavings and tylenol. Some people can smoke a quarter of pack a day for two years and wind up with some form of cancer while others can smoke 5 packs a day for 40 years and never have so much as a malignant cell their entire life. I'm inclined to agree that smoking cigarettes is either incidental or, at worst, merely one of a combination of factors when it comes to cancer.
    The government want's something to demonize and tax...

    If our government gave a **** about young healthy folk - they wouldn't send them off to be murdered in war.

    If you're a smart young individual you can go off to war and have a job and a college education while those ------ You know limited IQ fools sit around and smoke government gas to see what happened..

    I suppose our military isn't as fashionable as it was 60-years ago but it's by far just as evil ..... I'm not talking about the soldiers...

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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

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    Can you bring me up to speed about states filing bankruptcy? I never heard of this before. But I looked and think you are wrong State bankruptcy bill imminent, Gingrich says | Reuters Are you thinking of cities maybe?

    Not sure you're correct about that beer pocketbook either. California is the 8th largest economy in the world. New York is the financial center of the world. Illinois provides thick, juicy steaks.

    Well so far they have ruled Cities and counties can not states.....but that still doesn't change the economics.


    You didn't think Illinois crawled out of Insolvency now do you?

    As Illinois' fiscal crisis deepens, the word "bankruptcy" is creeping more and more into the public discourse.

    "We would like all the stakeholders of Illinois to recognize how close the state is to bankruptcy or insolvency," says Laurence Msall, president of the Civic Federation, a fiscal watchdog in Chicago.

    "Bankruptcy is the reality that looms out there," Republican gubernatorial candidate Andrew McKenna Jr. says.

    While it appears unlikely or even impossible for a state to hide out from creditors in Bankruptcy Court, Illinois appears to meet classic definitions of insolvency: Its liabilities far exceed its assets, and it's not generating enough cash to pay its bills. Private companies in similar circumstances often shut down or file for bankruptcy protection.

    "I would describe bankruptcy as the inability to pay one's bills," says Jim Nowlan, senior fellow at the University of Illinois' Institute of Government and Public Affairs. "We're close to de facto bankruptcy, if not de jure bankruptcy."

    Legal experts say the protections of the federal bankruptcy code are available to cities and counties but not states.

    While Illinois doesn't have the option of shutting its doors or shedding debts in a bankruptcy reorganization, it seems powerless to avert the practical equivalent. Despite a budget shortfall estimated to be as high as $5.7 billion, state officials haven't shown the political will to either raise taxes or cut spending sufficiently to close the gap.....snip~



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    Also, Cali use to be the 5th Largest economy in the world.

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    Re: Surgeon General adds to List of Smoking's Harms.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well so far they have ruled Cities and counties can not states.....but that still doesn't change the economics.


    You didn't think Illinois crawled out of Insolvency now do you?

    As Illinois' fiscal crisis deepens, the word "bankruptcy" is creeping more and more into the public discourse.

    "We would like all the stakeholders of Illinois to recognize how close the state is to bankruptcy or insolvency," says Laurence Msall, president of the Civic Federation, a fiscal watchdog in Chicago.

    "Bankruptcy is the reality that looms out there," Republican gubernatorial candidate Andrew McKenna Jr. says.

    While it appears unlikely or even impossible for a state to hide out from creditors in Bankruptcy Court, Illinois appears to meet classic definitions of insolvency: Its liabilities far exceed its assets, and it's not generating enough cash to pay its bills. Private companies in similar circumstances often shut down or file for bankruptcy protection.

    "I would describe bankruptcy as the inability to pay one's bills," says Jim Nowlan, senior fellow at the University of Illinois' Institute of Government and Public Affairs. "We're close to de facto bankruptcy, if not de jure bankruptcy."

    Legal experts say the protections of the federal bankruptcy code are available to cities and counties but not states.

    While Illinois doesn't have the option of shutting its doors or shedding debts in a bankruptcy reorganization, it seems powerless to avert the practical equivalent. Despite a budget shortfall estimated to be as high as $5.7 billion, state officials haven't shown the political will to either raise taxes or cut spending sufficiently to close the gap.....snip~



    Crain's Chicago Business : Subscription Center


    Also, Cali use to be the 5th Largest economy in the world.
    Illinois is the state I know the least about so I won't even try to defend them. But NY and CA - what states are more prosperous?

    5th or 8th may be affected by the rise of other nations rather than the falling of that state. China and India are newcomers to the super-size economies.

    NY and CA are also the 2 states that are most guilty of micro-management so don't get the impression that I'm supporting their methods.

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