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Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

So the voters you're trying to block with 21st century Jim crow laws have "broke" the Nation.
The "broke" the Nation crowd was elected POTUS in 1981, as Dick Cheney reminds us .
WCH said:
Hey this country is way broke. Having 'legit' or otherwise voters electing officials (from both parties) who continue to spend and borrow is a killer.

It can't be sustained.
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WCH said:
It's called 'voting by mail or proxy'

After seeing all the deception going on in every facet of our existence, I don't need to see someone 'numbers' to be suspicious of any outcome.

There is no harm in providing an ID to vote just like you do for everything else in life.
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so you are against people casting mail in ballots? not everyone has the luxury of being able to vote in person.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
back then property owners were Land owners. I don't think that system would be able to exist in this day and age because so few people have the money to buy land.
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My point was by paying taxes, you have a stake in this country. If your only intent is to suck off the teat, IMHO you shouldn't be able to sway elections for that, and only that intention.
 
NIMBY said:
So the voters you're trying to block with 21st century Jim crow laws have "broke" the Nation.
The "broke" the Nation crowd was elected POTUS in 1981, as Dick Cheney reminds us .
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They continue at an ever quickening pace.
 
How about all of the other trickie dickies the GOP has invented since coming to state power since 2010.
I really like the one where they decrease the number of voting machines and locales already hit by 8-hour voting lines.
And then there's the shortening of early voting, like "souls to the polls", not too subtle .
WCH said:
It's called 'voting by mail or proxy'

After seeing all the deception going on in every facet of our existence, I don't need to see someone 'numbers' to be suspicious of any outcome.

There is no harm in providing an ID to vote just like you do for everything else in life.
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WCH said:
My point was by paying taxes, you have a stake in this country. If your only intent is to suck off the teat, IMHO you shouldn't be able to sway elections for that, and only that intention.
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Translation: Only voters with money should be allowed to vote. How snobbish.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
so you are against people casting mail in ballots? not everyone has the luxury of being able to vote in person.
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You really need to get a grip on some reading comprehension.

I was answering the posters question.
 
Does that include all the people who work for corporate welfare, since they are by far the biggest suckers off the teat?
Keeping in mind that corporations are people ,
WCH said:
My point was by paying taxes, you have a stake in this country. If your only intent is to suck off the teat, IMHO you shouldn't be able to sway elections for that, and only that intention.
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NIMBY said:
Does that include all the people who work for corporate welfare, since they are by far the biggest suckers off the teat?
Keeping in mind that corporations are people ,
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Individual welfare is the biggest portion of welfare.
 
NIMBY said:
Does that include all the people who work for corporate welfare, since they are by far the biggest suckers off the teat?
Keeping in mind that corporations are people ,
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Again, not relevant to the Voter ID topic.

Nice try.
 
Voter ID is but a small part of the big package in Courts all over the land.
The AG is all over NC and TX so if you think you've gotten away with voter suppression beyond the ID, think again .
WCH said:
Again, not relevant to the Voter ID topic.

Nice try.
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NIMBY said:
Voter ID is but a small part of the big package in Courts all over the land.
The AG is all over NC and TX so if you think you've gotten away with voter suppression beyond the ID, think again .
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Why is an ID a form of suppression?
 
WCH said:
I gave you the options. At one time only property owners were allowed to vote.

BECAUSE THEY HAD A *STAKE* IN THIS COUNTRY'S EXISTENCE! They weren't simply parasites feeding off the host..
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Tenant farmers, renters, slaves, the working poor and women were/are all parasites?
 
Whenever someone compares modern voter ID laws to Jim Crow laws, I want to slap them in the face. They are categorically dissimilar. I think there is actually grounds to make the claim that the argument against voter ID via "racism" is what is inherently racist.

Think with me for a second:

1. Jim Crow laws were specific and explicit in keeping blacks and whites seperate.
2. There is nothing specific or explicit in voter ID laws which treat whites and blacks as seperate groups of people.
3. In arguing that voter ID laws are racist, one must assume that there is a difference between the races.
4. This assumed difference is most often argued as one of either means or motive.
5. Iif you argue that voter ID laws are racist, you make the logical assumption that blacks categorically lack the trivial means by which to acquire an ID and vote or categorically lack the motivation to vote. Both of those assumptions are more explicitly racist in nature than the voter ID laws being argued against.
 
Looks like a lot of people aren't familiar with how far PA has been in accommodating getting a valid ID for voting. They even included a nursing home ID as an acceptable ID. The ID's are free and they even delayed the date for implementation on a couple occasions. Even if you don't have an ID, you vote provisionally.

There are just some people for which there will never, ever be a valid reason to require an ID to vote even if the ID is stamped on everyone's forehead at birth and 500 years pass.
 
CycloneWanderer said:
Whenever someone compares modern voter ID laws to Jim Crow laws, I want to slap them in the face. They are categorically dissimilar. I think there is actually grounds to make the claim that the argument against voter ID via "racism" is what is inherently racist.

Think with me for a second:

1. Jim Crow laws were specific and explicit in keeping blacks and whites seperate.
2. There is nothing specific or explicit in voter ID laws which treat whites and blacks as seperate groups of people.
3. In arguing that voter ID laws are racist, one must assume that there is a difference between the races.
4. This assumed difference is most often argued as one of either means or motive.
5. Iif you argue that voter ID laws are racist, you make the logical assumption that blacks categorically lack the trivial means by which to acquire an ID and vote or categorically lack the motivation to vote. Both of those assumptions are more explicitly racist in nature than the voter ID laws being argued against.
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It is a well-documented fact that the people who are most likely to lack an ID card are:
young people, esp college students
elderly people
low income people
historically oppressed minorities

No racist assumptions are needed to oppose demanding that those people come up with ID cards immediately in order to continue voting. In addition, statements by many of the ID law advocates make their real intentions clear. There is also a correlation between states with a history of racism and the recent introduction of restrictive voter ID laws.
 
Hard Truth said:
It is a well-documented fact that the people who are most likely to lack an ID card are:
young people, esp college students
elderly people
low income people
historically oppressed minorities

No racist assumptions are needed to oppose demanding that those people come up with ID cards immediately in order to continue voting. In addition, statements by many of the ID law advocates make their real intentions clear. There is also a correlation between states with a history of racism and the recent introduction of restrictive voter ID laws.
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Why do these groups choose to not get ID?
 
scatt said:
Why do these groups choose to not get ID?
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In many cases they haven't needed one. For example college students who don't drive might use their student ID card for most purposes.
 
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