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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Laws passed with a prejudicial motive that target a group of people without solid evidence that they are intended to address a legitimate problem in the fairest way possible should be struck down by judges per the equal protection principals of the constitution.
    We leave it too open to interpretation by these judges, and that equates to putting too much power in their hands. The judiciary can do any sort of mental gymnastics to support whatever their ideology is - just look at the way people on this forum defend whatever idea is dear to them, however silly it is.

    I think that, as people, we're not very good at thinking objectively, even when we seriously try to do so. We're too colored by our ideologies. So unless there is a clear delineation of power and the laws are spelled out such that they can't be interpreted subjectively, an inordinate amount of power will rest with the judicial branch and that, constitutional or not, doesn't sit well with me as it is by nature non-democratic.

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Only specific and many times different IDs are used from one state to the next, another problem with the 10th amendment.
    For federal elections within any of the 50 states, the ID laws should be the same .
    As per federal law, it's not even required that states allow people to vote, much less that they vote according the same ID laws.

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Attempting to disenfranchise the poor isn't economics, it's class warfare.

    But at least you're honest enough to admit it's about disenfranchising the poor and not this bull**** about securing the election.
    Yeah how does tha feel when it used against the Left? Conservatives have been putting up with that crap for decades.

    I'll go a step further and say if you're too inept to procure a FREE photo ID you don't deserve the right to vote in this country.

    You make yourself a slave to the state...you get what is coming to you. Pretty harsh eh?

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We leave it too open to interpretation by these judges, and that equates to putting too much power in their hands. The judiciary can do any sort of mental gymnastics to support whatever their ideology is - just look at the way people on this forum defend whatever idea is dear to them, however silly it is.

    I think that, as people, we're not very good at thinking objectively, even when we seriously try to do so. We're too colored by our ideologies. So unless there is a clear delineation of power and the laws are spelled out such that they can't be interpreted subjectively, an inordinate amount of power will rest with the judicial branch and that, constitutional or not, doesn't sit well with me as it is by nature non-democratic.
    Good point, but I generally disagree. In many cases the courts have protected unpopular minorities from the bigotry of the majority to everyone's benefit.

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

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    No worries...there won't be a country for very much longer at this rate.
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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    so how much longer do you think we can maintain this welfare state? When will the creditors come knocking?

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Yeah how does tha feel when it used against the Left? Conservatives have been putting up with that crap for decades.
    LOL. Ah, those poor poor rich people.

    Pretty much since Reagan, the GOP has essentially **** all over the poor with their "welfare queens" rhetoric. So spare me the lamenting for how bad the rich have it in this country.
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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    To tell me that federal law does not require any individual state to let me vote
    shows how far the GOP will go to stop DEM voter groups from voting.

    To be reasonable, I believe all voters should have to produce the same ID; no more games fom the RED states.
    And no foot-dragging in getting an ID .
    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    As per federal law, it's not even required that states allow people to vote, much less that they vote according the same ID laws.
    Last edited by NIMBY; 01-17-14 at 10:09 PM.
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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I'll go a step further and say if you're too inept to procure a FREE photo ID you don't deserve the right to vote in this country.
    Mis-statement.
    Due to states' wrongs, different IDs are required for different states.
    And, different forms of proof, which cost money, are required to get the ID.
    Yet I believe in a National ID, which shuts up the GOP .
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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We leave it too open to interpretation by these judges, and that equates to putting too much power in their hands. The judiciary can do any sort of mental gymnastics to support whatever their ideology is - just look at the way people on this forum defend whatever idea is dear to them, however silly it is.

    I think that, as people, we're not very good at thinking objectively, even when we seriously try to do so. We're too colored by our ideologies. So unless there is a clear delineation of power and the laws are spelled out such that they can't be interpreted subjectively, an inordinate amount of power will rest with the judicial branch and that, constitutional or not, doesn't sit well with me as it is by nature non-democratic.
    You only say that when judges rule in a manner you disagree with. If SCOTUS had overturned the entire ACA as unconstitutional you wouldn't have said **** about judicial activism.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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