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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    11 percent of American citizens do not possess a government-issued photo ID; that is over 21 million citizens.
    http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/d...20Separate.pdf

    "...The Brennan figure has been cited widely and comes from a 2006 survey conducted by an independent polling firm, Opinion Research Corp. Respondents were asked whether they have a current government-issued ID with their photo on it, like a driver’s license or military ID. If they answered yes, they were asked if this photo ID had their current address and current name, as opposed to maiden name.

    They also were asked if they had a U.S. birth certificate, naturalization papers or passport in a place they could easily get to if they had to show it the next day and whether those documents had their current name.

    According to the Brennan Center, as many as 11 percent of U.S. citizens — more than 21 million — did not have current government-issued photo identification. This was based on a sample of 987 randomly selected voting-age citizens contacted by telephone. The pollster reported a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percentage points...


    We looked for other data and made some calls to ask. A 2005 report from a federal voting rights commission chaired by former President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James A. Baker said in a footnote that about 12 percent of the United States voting-age population did not have driver’s licenses. The figure came from U.S. Department of Transportation and Census Bureau data.

    We also found a May 24, 2011, report from Norman Robbins, research director for Northeast Ohio Voter Advocates, that examined driver’s license data specifically in Ohio. The report concluded that 940,000 Ohioans over age 18 lacked driver’s licenses. That’s nearly an 11 percent rate, higher than figures cited by proponents of Ohio voter ID laws. Robbins said in his findings that previous figures were erroneous because they failed to take into account such factors as deceased license holders and Ohioans who had moved out of state but were still in the state license database...

    We start with the fact that a number of authorities say her source is credible. Daniel Tokaji, a law professor at Ohio State University, told us that he, too, thinks the Brennan figure "is in the ballpark." He cited another study, "The Disproportionate Impact of Voter ID Laws on the Electorate," done recently by researchers at universities in New Mexico, Arizona and Washington who used national survey data from the 2008 election. From 4,563 respondents, they found that 95 percent of registered white voters said they had current drivers licenses or state-issued photo IDs, while 90 percent of black voters, 89 percent of Latino voters and 86 percent of Asian voters did..."

    http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...ible-voters-l/

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    "Using calculations based on turnout figures for the past two presidential elections, researchers at the University of Chicago and Washington University in St. Louis concluded that overall turnout this year by young people of color ages 18-29 could fall by somewhere between 538,000 to 696,000 in states with photo ID laws.

    "Our estimates are conservative. We are looking at demobilization from 9 to 25 percent," said Cathy Cohen, a University of Chicago expert on young and minority voters, who worked on the study with Jon Rogowski of Washington University. "If young people really have valid IDs at a rate of only 25 or even 50 percent, the number of young people of color disenfranchised will be even greater than what we estimate."

    The analysis by Cohen and Rogowski was released this week by the Chicago-based Black Youth Project, a nonpartisan effort launched in 2004 to examine the political participation of African-Americans aged 15 to 25. It estimated that new photo requirements potentially could turn away:

    170,000 to 475,000 young black voters.
    68,000 to 250,000 young Hispanic voters.
    13,000 to 46,000 young Asian-American voters.
    1,700 to 6,400 young Native American voters.
    700 to 2,700 young Pacific Islander voters."

    Study: Voter ID law would exclude up to 700,000 young minorities - CBS News

    link the cited study: http://research.blackyouthproject.co...laws-feb28.pdf

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Why do these people choose to not get ID?

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Usually young people easily college students have sort of student I.D. card, ...
    Most of the recent voter ID laws have specifically disallowed use of student ID cards.

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Didn't Texas have a voter ID law that disallowed military ID laws.
    What ID folks won't do is read the fine-print of the ID law, not to mention the REAL suppressions of the vote in the rest of the law .
    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Most of the recent voter ID laws have specifically disallowed use of student ID cards.
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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Most of the recent voter ID laws have specifically disallowed use of student ID cards.
    Then why not use a driver's license or a passport, which are also accessible to students. Here you can even use a library card or public transport card along with proof of residence.

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    where in the story did she lie?
    She gives a false name to the DMV for her DL and thus violated the law she is sworn to follow and uphold as part of her position.

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Then why not use a driver's license or a passport, which are also accessible to students. Here you can even use a library card or public transport card along with proof of residence.
    Only specific and many times different IDs are used from one state to the next, another problem with the 10th amendment.
    For federal elections within any of the 50 states, the ID laws should be the same .
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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    She gives a false name to the DMV for her DL and thus violated the law she is sworn to follow and uphold as part of her position.
    why are you so sure she intentionally lied to the dmv? she may have been married at one time and forgot to update her driver license or voter registration form so that the middle names are not the same.
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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    While I don't particularly like voter ID laws because I think they're motivated by prejudice, I also don't like it when judges overrule the will of the people because who gave them that right?

    We're either a democracy or we aren't, and rulings like this are by definition un-democratic.

    I would rather live with a law that I don't like, that's my personal opinion.
    Laws passed with a prejudicial motive that target a group of people without solid evidence that they are intended to address a legitimate problem in the fairest way possible should be struck down by judges per the equal protection principals of the constitution.

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