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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    You mean groups that are basically the 'takers' of society that vote Democrat. Haven't we seen the result of letting those groups elect our leaders?

    Is not racism, it's economics.
    Attempting to disenfranchise the poor isn't economics, it's class warfare.

    But at least you're honest enough to admit it's about disenfranchising the poor and not this bull**** about securing the election.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Study American history? Actually I was asking for examples of voter fraud, you of course have none except "longtime political quotes" so you tell me to read. Who is in denial?
    Already gave you examples (Tammany Hall, teh Chicago political machine), you ignore them. Do you also need instruction on how to use google?

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The same reason she shouldn't be a judge - the law. It's her job to know it. But really, and again for the thousandth time, she faces this same thing with any other official activity that requires ID. This isn't new, it's just her wanting a special case where she doesn't have to follow the rules of registration. Notice, she lies to the DMV, isn't that a crime?
    this requirement was a new one and only came into effect last october, and for 50 years she had been able to vote without problems.
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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Oh c'mon, pick any crime with a severe penalty and you'll find people committing said crime anyway. As for that last, I really thought you had a better grasp on American history. Start with Tammany Hall and head right on through the Chicago political machine in modern history. The denial is what makes no sense given what we KNOW.
    Nobody has ever suggested that voter fraud doesn't exist. But it is rare.

    And for some reason, the "small government, fiscally responsible" party is supporting a big, heavy-handed, expensive proposition to tackle a problem that barely exists in the first place. The party of "individual freedom" is willing to prevent hundreds of thousands of people from taking part in the most fundamental aspect of a democracy... so that a handful of fraudulent votes might be caught.

    Except they wont even do that. Of the voter fraud that does occur, the vast majority wouldn't be stopped by an ID check. Absentee ballots account for most of the voter fraud, but strangely enough Republicans aren't trying to crack down on it. Coincidentally, absentee ballots lean R.


    A big, ineffective, expensive solution in search of a problem that restricts individual liberty. How very Republican.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The same reason she shouldn't be a judge - the law. It's her job to know it. But really, and again for the thousandth time, she faces this same thing with any other official activity that requires ID. This isn't new, it's just her wanting a special case where she doesn't have to follow the rules of registration. Notice, she lies to the DMV, isn't that a crime?
    And now you're trying to pass judgment on who should or should not be allowed to vote. Yeah, keep telling yourself this isn't Jim Crow 2.0.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Photo ID will create hurdles for otherwise eligible voters

    While many people can easily reach into their wallet and produce a current ID that shows who they are and where they live, that is not true for everyone. At any given time, many eligible voters do not have the types of ID that are called for under photo ID proposals. Who is least likely to have a photo ID?

    18 percent of elderly citizens do not have a government-issued photo ID.
    15 percent of voters earning less than $35,000 a year do not have a photo ID.
    18 percent of citizens aged 18-24 do not have a government-issued ID with their current address and name.
    10 percent of voters with disabilities do not have a photo ID.
    25 percent of African-American citizens of voting age do not have a current, government-issued ID

    Voters who are least likely to have ID also are more likely to experience barriers that would prevent them from getting an ID. They are more likely to have low incomes and not have the money for transportation and to acquire supporting documents to qualify for the ID - ordering a birth certificate from another state can be both time-consuming and expensive. People with disabilities and elderly citizens, especially in rural communities, who no longer drive may have difficulty getting to a county office and waiting in the necessary lines to update their identification.

    Protecting Voter Rights-Photo ID - League of Women Voters Minnesota (LWVMN)
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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    this requirement was a new one and only came into effect last october, and for 50 years she had been able to vote without problems.
    Telling the truth to the DMV is not a new law nor is the fact that she had to identify herself truthfully and accurately on many other occaisions that require ID.

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And now you're trying to pass judgment on who should or should not be allowed to vote. Yeah, keep telling yourself this isn't Jim Crow 2.0.
    Where did I say she shouldn't be allowed to vote (I said she should be allowed to be a judge since she has demonstrated she doesn't know the law and continues to break it)? Put you race card away, it's worn, debunked and not applicable here.

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Telling the truth to the DMV is not a new law nor is the fact that she had to identify herself truthfully and accurately on many other occaisions that require ID.
    where in the story did she lie?
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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Without ID requirement we have little chance of catching the offenders, and they know it. The penalty for pot use and possession was once draconian (in some places it still is), people still did it in numbers. Also, without ID requirement we have no idea of how large or small the problem is. However, we cannot deny the dead vote has been used significantly in some locations in the past.
    Voter ID wouldn't catch most of the voter fraud, actually. Because most of it occurs via absentee, or votes cast by ineligible felons. The first doesn't involve an ID check and the second wouldn't work because it doesn't say "FELON" on anyone's driver's license.

    But cracking down on absentee votes would hurt R more than D, so you ignore it completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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