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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I think a much better question is "why shouldn't they have the right to make that choice without a penalty as drastic as losing their right to vote?"

    If that were actually true, why would there be a controversy over this?
    Political reasons obviously. It is the most evil, mean, hateful, racist thing to do ever in the US, outside of the US it is not seen in that way at all.

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Of course it does. Voter laws are supposed to ensure that everybody gets to vote, not to Jim Crow the vote for some. And about this lame argument that Jim Crowing the vote stops voter fraud, show me proof that there was enough voter fraud in ANY election to change the outcome of that election. And when I say proof, I don't mean show some talking head on FOX News claiming voter fraud. Show me the hard numbers FROM A REPUTABLE SOURCE, not Breitbart, which has been caught time and time again making crap up. Good luck with that.

    Finally, I must say that, if a political party is so desperate to remain relevant that they have to resort to Jim Crow to attempt to win elections, then there is a problem with that party. At least, at this time, the mainstream Republicans are fighting the good fight to wrest control of the party back from the wackos that hijacked it, and that's a good sign. The Republican party does not need Tea Partiers or any other kind of "Confederate" in the party. With reasonable ideas, the GOP will stick around a long time, and make important contributions to America's political process.

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    LOL, "Jim Crowing the vote". Nice use of scare words and hyperbole, not to mention the use of the left's favorite race-baiting phrase. In all, I give it a 6/10. You could have upped your score if you'd used more creative race-baiting terms.
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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I think a much better question is "why shouldn't they have the right to make that choice without a penalty as drastic as losing their right to vote?"
    Try applying that same question to the right to bear arms.

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Try applying that same question to the right to bear arms.
    Because different things are different. Voting and guns are not analogues and the ideas applied to one do not apply to the other. Each must be evaluated separately.
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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    If it keeps one single American from voting that should be able to, It is a problem.
    If a person can provide proof of citizenship when they register to vote, they shouldn't have any problem doing the same when they cast their ballot.
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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Because different things are different. Voting and guns are not analogues and the ideas applied to one do not apply to the other. Each must be evaluated separately.
    Not so. Both are prime constitutional rights. Both are very clear in their grant and yet both require registration which (shocker) also requires identifying yourself.

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    I have no problem with requiring ID, if they are allowed to vote without it, then, if fraudulent, arrest them. If one was thrown in jail for years, no one else would do it. Look, people know if they fraudulently vote they could go to jail for years, yet they would literally be one vote if millions, the risk just doesnt give much benefit. I dont beleive it happens, so I dont believe it needs fixed.
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    If a person can provide proof of citizenship when they register to vote, they shouldn't have any problem doing the same when they cast their ballot.
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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I have no problem with requiring ID, if they are allowed to vote without it, then, if fraudulent, arrest them. If one was thrown in jail for years, no one else would do it. Look, people know if they fraudulently vote they could go to jail for years, yet they would literally be one vote if millions, the risk just doesnt give much benefit. I dont beleive it happens, so I dont believe it needs fixed.
    Without ID requirement we have little chance of catching the offenders, and they know it. The penalty for pot use and possession was once draconian (in some places it still is), people still did it in numbers. Also, without ID requirement we have no idea of how large or small the problem is. However, we cannot deny the dead vote has been used significantly in some locations in the past.

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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Simply not true, very few if any will risk years of their life for a one in millions vote. C'mon man, there is no evidence it is a big problem, it does not make sense it would be, yet the RW believes fervently in it. Oh wait, that does make sense, after all.
    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Without ID requirement we have little chance of catching the offenders, and they know it. The penalty for pot use and possession was once draconian (in some places it still is), people still did it in numbers. Also, without ID requirement we have no idea of how large or small the problem is. However, we cannot deny the dead vote has been used significantly in some locations in the past.
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    Re: Pennsylvania judge strikes down state's voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Without ID requirement we have little chance of catching the offenders, and they know it. The penalty for pot use and possession was once draconian (in some places it still is), people still did it in numbers. Also, without ID requirement we have no idea of how large or small the problem is. However, we cannot deny the dead vote has been used significantly in some locations in the past.
    and what can you do to prevent things like this from happening

    The state's new voter ID law is meant to prevent voter fraud, but it may be causing some delays at your neighborhood polling place, especially if the name on your driver's license differs from the name on your voter registration card, even a little bit.

    Nueces County election officials say it is often a problem for women who use maiden names or hyphenated names.

    The problem came to light Monday, when a local district judge had trouble casting a ballot.

    "What I have used for voter registration and for identification for the last 52 years was not sufficient yesterday when I went to vote," 117th District Court Judge Sandra Watts said.

    Watts has voted in every election for the last 49 years. The name on her driver's license has remained the same for 52 years, and the address on her voter registration card or driver's license hasn't changed in more than two decades. So imagine her surprise when she was told by voting officials that she would have to sign a "voters affidavit" affirming she was who she said she was.

    "Someone looked at that and said, 'Well, they're not the same,'" Watts said.

    The difference? On the driver's license, Judge Watts' maiden name is her middle name. On her voter registration, it's her actual middle name.
    That was enough under the new, more strict voter fraud law, to send up a red flag.
    Voter ID Law May Cause Problems for Women Using Maiden Names - KiiiTV.com South Texas, Corpus Christi, Coastal Bend
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