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    Re: Presidential Address on NSA Data Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    What does that even mean?
    Foreign citizens aren't taking kindly to the suggestion that they are having their data intercepted by a foreign government.
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    Re: Presidential Address on NSA Data Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Foreign citizens aren't taking kindly to the suggestion that they are having their data intercepted by a foreign government.
    As if their own governments aren't doing the exact same thing when they can.
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    Re: Presidential Address on NSA Data Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I means, "we know you the people don't like this, but tough ****. This is more about placating Andrea Merkel than honoring my oath to defend and uphold the constitution. Because I can detain any citizen indefinitely without due process... but there sure are a lot of foreigners who don't like this."
    An, "foreigners are the good guys, afterall".
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    Re: Presidential Address on NSA Data Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Foreign citizens aren't taking kindly to the suggestion that they are having their data intercepted by a foreign government.
    You think foreign countries aren't doing it to us?
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    Re: Presidential Address on NSA Data Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I did enjoy the swipes at China and Russia.

    But the idea of extending American' citizens protections to foreign populaces..... I am mulling that one. It seems.... contradictory.
    It's probably not even true.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Presidential Address on NSA Data Collection

    Courts in the US are supposed to be a matter of public record.

    The idea of a 'secret court' is as bad as spying on American citizens.
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    Re: Presidential Address on NSA Data Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Courts in the US are supposed to be a matter of public record.

    The idea of a 'secret court' is as bad as spying on American citizens.
    A competent intelligence community requires a certain degree of insulation from the general public for the most obvious of reasons.

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    Re: Presidential Address on NSA Data Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    A competent intelligence community requires a certain degree of insulation from the general public for the most obvious of reasons.
    What makes you think that there is nothing between secret, and full public knowledge?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Presidential Address on NSA Data Collection

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    A competent intelligence community requires a certain degree of insulation from the general public for the most obvious of reasons.
    That was not provided for in the Constitution. Any warrant issued with probably cause can be issued by any court in the land. Any warrant issued by any court without probably cause is unconstitutional and therefore illegal. That is the entire crux of the Snowden issue. There was no probably cause for the government to be violating the privacy of American citizens.

    Your comment is perfectly reasonable regarding non US citizens on foreign soil. But US citizens on US soil are protected by the Constitution of the United States and cannot be subject to search and seizure without probably cause. It is written plainly in the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution:

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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