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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you have the numbers available?

    Short kived? How long did they use that excuse and when did they realize what really happened? Any idea?

    Do you have the 'facts' regarding the actual dates?

    Seriously now. You really have no idea what was going on concerning Benghazi or the lies or the aftermath, right? That is the only possible explanation of why you are claiming 'facts' without actually pointing them out. Instead you use non specific terms entirely, and falsely, unrelated to any 'facts' whatsoever.
    Some of us are just Dear Leaders men.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    "AQ core" ( Pakistan) is degraded, but Zawahiri is doing just fine - AQAP (Yemen) is a big threat, as are the various "AQ affiliates" in Syria/Iraq.
    Libyan weapons were all over Syria -prolly still are, but not being smuggled out anymore that I know of since Bengazi.

    Libya is a "terrorist state" ( my words) since we assassinated Qaddafi -allowed the rise of Ansar al-Sharia , even as Qaddafi warned us the jihadists would flow to N. Africa.

    It was a disasterous war for the Libyan people, Africa, ME, and we did it to ourselves.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    "AQ core" ( Pakistan) is degraded, but Zawahiri is doing just fine - AQAP (Yemen) is a big threat, as are the various "AQ affiliates" in Syria/Iraq.
    Libyan weapons were all over Syria -prolly still are, but not being smuggled out anymore that I know of since Bengazi.

    Libya is a "terrorist state" ( my words) since we assassinated Qaddafi -allowed the rise of Ansar al-Sharia , even as Qaddafi warned us the jihadists would flow to N. Africa.

    It was a disasterous war for the Libyan people, Africa, ME, and we did it to ourselves.
    The lame duck will be gone in a few years but can America elected a strong experienced leader once BHO is history? What if Hillary Clinton becomes President?

    The next Presidential election isn't just about the American people, though I can understand many Americans wanting it so. Instead it has huge international implications.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

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    The lame duck will be gone in a few years but can America elected a strong experienced leader once BHO is history? What if Hillary Clinton becomes President?

    The next Presidential election isn't just about the American people, though I can understand many Americans wanting it so. Instead it has huge international implications.
    appreciate the concerns, but would respectfully ask you to consider what "strong leader" means. China practices hegemony but doesn't get into far flung wars. They excel at soft power -
    they will do business with anyone, and not worry about our ideas of what type of people/government we are dealing with.

    The quick definition of neocon is spreading democracy at the barrel of a gun. If we've learned nothing else since 9-11, it is that this is a failed idea.

    We should expand our influences, but with so called soft power, and hold our military back for strategic defense.
    The Decline of America's Soft Power | Foreign Affairs

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    appreciate the concerns, but would respectfully ask you to consider what "strong leader" means. China practices hegemony but doesn't get into far flung wars. They excel at soft power -
    they will do business with anyone, and not worry about our ideas of what type of people/government we are dealing with.

    The quick definition of neocon is spreading democracy at the barrel of a gun. If we've learned nothing else since 9-11, it is that this is a failed idea.

    We should expand our influences, but with so called soft power, and hold our military back for strategic defense.
    The Decline of America's Soft Power | Foreign Affairs
    Agreed. Soft Power does not get people killed in punitive wars we can never win. Now, since this thread is about Benghazi, I think the way this has been hyped up is completely ridiculous. Mistakes were made, but just about every disaster could have been prevented, were human, so we make mistakes. It also appalls me how the right-wing media has been going crazy about this one slip in our defense, when there were 13 Benghazi like attacks during Bush's tenure, all of which went unnoticed by conservatives. Not to mention that some of them were successful repeat attacks on the same place. Benghazi was a tragedy that conservatives are turning into a travesty.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

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    Some of us are just Dear Leaders men.


    More of the absurd "Dear Leader" Obama-worship bull**** that conservatives have been spewing for the last five years and has virtually no basis in reality. Carry on.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

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    More of the absurd "Dear Leader" Obama-worship bull**** that conservatives have been spewing for the last five years and has virtually no basis in reality. Carry on.
    Except its spot on. Never in my life have I heard the excuses made for Obama and the democrat party of late. Its remarkable, and you know its based in reality.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

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    Except its spot on. Never in my life have I heard the excuses made for Obama and the democrat party of late. Its remarkable, and you know its based in reality.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    appreciate the concerns, but would respectfully ask you to consider what "strong leader" means. China practices hegemony but doesn't get into far flung wars. They excel at soft power - they will do business with anyone, and not worry about our ideas of what type of people/government we are dealing with.
    Who do we think of when we think of strong American leaders? FDR? Truman? Eisenhower? Reagan? Party affiliation is often less important than the competence of the leader and the ability to communicate with the American people in a straightforward manner. Being able to work with the Senate and Congress is also essential.

    Every now and then another nation becomes a power competitor with the US, such as China is now. At an earlier time it was Russia, or Japan. And each time this happens it's suggested that America should adopt some of their habits. I never did agree with any of that. Americans, if they continue to support freedom, the free market, and free enterprise. will always excel. If they adopt the habits of other countries they will falter. It is the freest markets, which utilize the power of the people, which do best.

    The quick definition of neocon is spreading democracy at the barrel of a gun. If we've learned nothing else since 9-11, it is that this is a failed idea.
    Maybe the idea has some merit but its implementation has not been carried out well. When going to war winning is everything while going for the hearts and minds is a fool's mission. Someone once said that if you grab them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow, and I agree with this idea.

    We should expand our influences, but with so called soft power, and hold our military back for strategic defense.
    The Decline of America's Soft Power | Foreign Affairs
    The military can be used offensively but it has come to be used politically, not to actually win wars. Many lives have been lost and billions of dollars spent and all for nothing, simply because politics trumped the idea of victory. As well there are those who will support any malevolent movement or dictator who is working against a free peoples interest, and their power should never be underestimated.

    These are just a few off the cuff thoughts and I'd like to hear your opinion, for or against.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You didn't say "Victor is a poor source"???
    That's not blaming it. That's calling it what it is. I also answered him.

    Who are you talking about now and what did they say that you would call them 'idiots'?
    You, j, conservative, and others use highly questionable sources that no logical person would use. From the American non-Thinker to NRO, that are chronically inaccurate and hyperbolic as well as hyper partisan.

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