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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The source is the link right above the quote.
    From WA PO's opinion section, ok. Well back to our beginning, you pointed to a republican and a democrat that have attempted to ignore congress, I think it's been more than that, but bi-partisan as it was, I'll give you credit for it.
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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    More than Iraq was, and not really just a US effort. No coalition of the willing. But not something I supported.
    Really? Why? What threat did Libya pose us?
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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I hear ya, if we're going for the lesser of two evils, sure. But if we want it right, then partisans have got to love, and be, Americans first, and democrats and republicans second. (Or third or whatever)
    While I agree with that, perfect is the enemy of the good. Perfect doesn't come over night. Absent a radical revolution, which could bring about worse, we have to seek improvement and not perfection.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Really? Why? What threat did Libya pose us?
    Far more dangerous to us than Iraq. Though my previous post didn't address threat at all. Iraq was nothing. Libya was destabilizing, and if you've learn nothing from Iraq, such destabilization helps our enemies, and as such is a threat. Not one I think required our involvement, but more than Iraq.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    While I agree with that, perfect is the enemy of the good. Perfect doesn't come over night. Absent a radical revolution, which could bring about worse, we have to seek improvement and not perfection.
    Come on man, who said anything about perfect, nothing's perfect, except maybe your debating skills. Improvement however will come when partisans stop looking the other way when their guy does it, or pointing out that your guys worse so my guys better.
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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Far more dangerous to us than Iraq. Though my previous post didn't address threat at all. Iraq was nothing. Libya was destabilizing, and if you've learn nothing from Iraq, such destabilization helps our enemies, and as such is a threat. Not one I think required our involvement, but more than Iraq.
    I don't think so. Libya was better left alone, fairly sure Qaddafi would have beaten back the NTC, as he did before. Libya is more dangerous now then under Qaadafi .
    Before he was overthrown and killed, Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi warned jihadists would conquer northern Africa

    During the dying days of his four decade rule, Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi cast an ominous prophecy. If his regime fell, jihadists would subjugate northern Africa, inflicting widespread violence and terror.

    “Al-Qaeda considers all the people to be infidels,” Mr. Gaddafi declared in a speech weeks before NATO began its military intervention in Libya. “They deem all people their enemies. They know nothing but killing.”
    The Islamists would pour in from Afghanistan, Algeria, and Egypt, he warned, saying, “These are beasts with turbans.”
    Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi warned jihadists would conquer Africa | National Post

    he was correct, Ansar al-Sharia is now a "global terrorist organization" under new US criteria. There were ISI fighters as part of the NTC. Libya was a bulwark against jihadist.
    We threw all of that away. WE "destabilized Libya -it is dysfunctional, and milita rule, are going underground, and yet new militias (localized) cropping up. This is the very definition of "unstable"

    Abu-Annas al Liby war captured living openly in Tripoli quite recently Abu Anas al Liby, al Qaeda suspect nabbed in Libya raid, arrives in U.S. - CBS News
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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    I don't think so. Libya was better left alone, fairly sure Qaddafi would have beaten back the NTC, as he did before. Libya is more dangerous now then under Qaadafi .


    Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi warned jihadists would conquer Africa | National Post

    he was correct, Ansar al-Sharia is now a "global terrorist organization" with new US under new US criteria. There were ISI fighters as part of the NSA. Libya was a bulwark against jihadist.
    We threw all of that away. WE "destabilized Libya -it is dysfunctional, and milita rule, are going underground, and yet new militias (localized) cropping up. This is the very definition of "unstable"

    Abu-Annas al Liby war captured living openly in Tripoli quite recently Abu Anas al Liby, al Qaeda suspect nabbed in Libya raid, arrives in U.S. - CBS News
    Yes, Gaddafi did indeed make that warning, but he's only a dictator, what does he know. I remember the pro-war, pro-attack Libya crowd scoffing when he made the prediction. I keep pointing out that either US foreign policy in that whole region is destabilization, or we've had two very ****ty and incompetent presidencies back to back!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Come on man, who said anything about perfect, nothing's perfect, except maybe your debating skills. Improvement however will come when partisans stop looking the other way when their guy does it, or pointing out that your guys worse so my guys better.
    I'm not arguing to look the other way. Only about being honest concerning the comparison.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    A bribed coalition of the willing doesn't equal more support, no. It us more likely you're partisan eyes are ignoring differences.
    I'm not partisan dude. I have NO problem condemning both presidents for their wrongs. And I don't make a distinction between one president going to war on false pretenses and another doing the same.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, Gaddafi did indeed make that warning, but he's only a dictator, what does he know. I remember the pro-war, pro-attack Libya crowd scoffing when he made the prediction. I keep pointing out that either US foreign policy in that whole region is destabilization, or we've had two very ****ty and incompetent presidencies back to back!
    agreed. Look at Iraq, ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and Levant) coming back from Syria (so called "spillover), attempting a caliphate across the borders of the 2 states.

    al- Malaki is asking for Apache helicopters; and he prolly will need them, as Anwar province ( Fallujah / Ramadi) are a back and forth battle between Iraq forces, and these terrorist groups.
    al-Malaki is a Shi'a, - supposed to be president, but he's more interested in keeping the sectarian strife alive, by marginalizing the Sunni's.

    I'd sure like someone to tell me WT **** we accomplished in Iraq, and what we will "accomplish" in Afganistan

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