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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : There is one puzzle I haven't figured out yet, though. If no one ever tells him what's going on, which unfortunately seems to be the case from what I've been reading, what criteria does he use to arrive at any decision he makes?` Seems kinda haphazard to me. Does he use an astrologer, or a dart board, or a "jobs jar," or something I haven't thought of yet?

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    Good morning, mam. Hope you are well. I honestly don't know the vast metrics involved in Obama's decision making process, but it's certainly a curiosity. The result of an administration policy - the small footprint thing in Benghazi - is somehow not his responsibility. In fact, we are to believe that actually no one person can be named anywhere who is responsible which is doubly curious. I guess it was all just a wild and crazy hodgepodge of decisions which unfortunately resulted in some people being killed, but what the hell. People die every day.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Yeah, it's almost as good as the one in post #4 that you wholeheartedly agree with.
    No, that would be incorrect. He speaks to the article and past threads of a similar bent. You speak to something that really isn't a position anywhere.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, that would be incorrect. He speaks to the article and past threads of a similar bent. You speak to something that really isn't a position anywhere.
    So then it's okay to mention that the president is responsible for his administration's policies because that's generally an accepted position everywhere - I didn't need to state it. I just thought that it would be appropriate to mention this acknowledged fact in light of the comment that Obama didn't have some significant input on the policy - even though no one has mentioned that he is personally responsible. I haven't seen anyone in this thread claim Obama just let them die.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    So then it's okay to mention that the president is responsible for his administration's policies because that's generally an accepted position everywhere - I didn't need to state it. I just thought that it would be appropriate to mention this acknowledged fact in light of the comment that Obama didn't have some significant input on the policy - even though no one has mentioned that he is personally responsible. I haven't seen anyone in this thread claim Obama just let them die.
    Yes, in the past there has been comments of "let them die." And he is clearly referring to that. No where has anyone said we should not hold Obama responsible. However, it is prudent not to get hyperbolic about his responsibility.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, in the past there has been comments of "let them die." And he is clearly referring to that. No where has anyone said we should not hold Obama responsible. However, it is prudent not to get hyperbolic about his responsibility.
    I'm sure there have been such comments. Ostensibly, Obama is responsible for everything that happens under his watch. I'm not suggesting - hyperbolically or any other way - that he is personally responsible. However, because no other person has been identified as the chief architect of the policy concerning Benghazi, we are forced to look to him in the absence of any other named person. Somebody enunciated the policy.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I'm sure there have been such comments. Ostensibly, Obama is responsible for everything that happens under his watch. I'm not suggesting - hyperbolically or any other way - that he is personally responsible. However, because no other person has been identified as the chief architect of the policy concerning Benghazi, we are forced to look to him in the absence of any other named person. Somebody enunciated the policy.
    Not the point. You suggested there was an argument to not hold him responsible. No such argument has been made, really ever. Only that it be properly framed, as you just did.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not the point. You suggested there was an argument to not hold him responsible. No such argument has been made, really ever. Only that it be properly framed, as you just did.
    There have been arguments to the effect that Obama didn't know, couldn't have known, and was thus not accountable for the result. Perhaps not here - I haven't read all the threads associated with this event here, and I don't intend to. The point is that if Obama is not responsible, and Wiseone seems to be making that point in post #4, then who in the hell is? I want a name of the Cabinet level person who made the policy decision regarding Benghazi because they are they only ones with the power to do that beside the president himself. So if it's not Obama...The effort has been to spread the responsibility so thin and so far as to not hold anyone accountable for anything, and claim is was a systemic failure. That's unacceptable.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    There have been arguments to the effect that Obama didn't know, couldn't have known, and was thus not accountable for the result. Perhaps not here - I haven't read all the threads associated with this event here, and I don't intend to. The point is that if Obama is not responsible, and Wiseone seems to be making that point in post #4, then who in the hell is? I want a name of the Cabinet level person who made the policy decision regarding Benghazi because they are they only ones with the power to do that beside the president himself. So if it's not Obama...The effort has been to spread the responsibility so thin and so far as to not hold anyone accountable for anything, and claim is was a systemic failure. That's unacceptable.
    you don't think the possibillity exists that what caused the tragic deaths in benghazi was simply bureaucratic confusion?
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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    you don't think the possibillity exists that what caused the tragic deaths in benghazi was simply bureaucratic confusion?
    In just-declassified testimony, General Hamm (AFRICOM CG) testified that "within minutes" of the attack starting, live drone coverage was available in both his command headquarters, and being consumed by Washington, and that he briefed the SecDef and Chairman JCS that it was a terrorist attack before they went to brief the President. This went up too high too rapidly to be blamed on bureaucratic fumbling.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Qaadafi wasn't perfect, he had his torture prisons, but he was damn side better then the AQ thugs that we backed.
    He renounced terrorism, and allowed the CIA to roam east Africa, was vehemtly anti-AQ

    bin Qumu seals the deal for me that we knowingly backed rebels that WERE lead by "AQ core" despite States protestation that it wasn't "AQ core".

    Then State turns around and declares Ansar al-Sharia as part of AQAP - when really only the "Tunis affiliate" is linked to AQAP.

    Then the little matter of the LIFG (LIbyan Islamic Fighting Force), that sent fighters to Syria, along with Libya weapons.
    Absolutely stonewalled that when Rand Paul tried to dig deep .

    But can you imagine the US electorate actually trying to follow this?

    One very good reason the NYT article said "no direct link to AQ", but didn't DEFINE AQ. Dissemble or just lie.

    It's all a smokescreen for the Obama failure to just stick to the UN "no fly" - if he wanted to dosimply that, but he went for regime change instead.

    Better off not getting involved with "humanitarian war", but we have to stick ourselves into foreign civil wars.

    Afganistan/ Yemen ( to an extent) now I heard something about a small nmber of troops in Somalia - which isn't a bad idea,
    but since there isn't really a mission statement there, can blow up.

    Anyways, the partisans managed to obfuscate this to the level that "the building did it" as Krauthammer said.

    NO ONE MENTIONS THE ****ING WAR -they still support assassinating Qaddafi for regime change.
    "qaddafi was a dictator" is still the meme

    Stuipid ****ing Americans, have no desire to dig any deeper than what fish wrapping paper like NYT's said,
    or not bother to try to undertsand just how bad an idea the Libya war was.

    Ther "building did it" my arse
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