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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I don't have a lot to say about the report.

    I am curious about the claim that the U.S. destroyed Libya based upon lies or something. Specifically it seems as if the argument is being made that Obama is responsible for Libya.

    Is that the case?
    it's discussed in a few threads, you can scroll thru this one, and get some ideas.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...zed-libya.html

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    I understand that the buck stops with the President. Realistically however it's simply not possible for him to know specifically everything about embassy/consulate security issues in individual nations as well as understand the contents of all the State Department requests and the outcomes of those requests is simply ludicrous.

    Just as ludicrous as the whole "Navy Seals were pleading for help and Obama ignored them" crap.

    Just as ludicrous as saying GWB specifically ignored the threat from Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. He didn't. Rice certainly did. I don't think GWB ever got properly briefed on the situation. It was a case of people who worked for him not agreeing with the people working in the counter terrorism and intelligence field. 9/11 could have been prevented. But just because it happened on Bush's watch doesn't mean Bush somehow caused it or is even remotely responsible for it.

    Did it happen on his watch? Yes. Certainly somebody did not recognize the gravity and timeliness of the situation. Somebody, several somebodies, should have known better.

    Terrible situation. Hyper partisan amping up of the facts don't do anything worthwhile.
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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    it's discussed in a few threads, you can scroll thru this one, and get some ideas.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...zed-libya.html
    Ahhh I thought the argument was being made in a different context. I've read all of this before. I agree with folks from both sides on certain points. Meh. Anyway...
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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems to have mattered to many, especially the victims and their families.

    You have bought into Hillary Clinton's line it seems. All you good little leftists deserve a pat on the head.
    No, and you don't seem to understand what's being said. I can type slower if it helps.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, and you don't seem to understand what's being said. I can type slower if it helps.
    At this point in time, what does it matter?

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Ahhh I thought the argument was being made in a different context. I've read all of this before. I agree with folks from both sides on certain points. Meh. Anyway...
    I don't know what other contexts exist. Some focus on the 9-11 attack on Bengazi ; other like myself focus on the entire war as jumping the shark to regime change.

    I suppose there are those who actually think the Libyan war was a good idea/outcome.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    I don't know what other contexts exist. Some focus on the 9-11 attack on Bengazi ; other like myself focus on the entire war as jumping the shark to regime change.

    I suppose there are those who actually think the Libyan war was a good idea/outcome.
    Not for Christopher Stevens, Sean Smith, Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods it wasn't.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    At this point in time, what does it matter?
    Not sure, but you leap into the conversation. Seems you got crossed up.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I don't have a lot to say about the report.

    I am curious about the claim that the U.S. destroyed Libya based upon lies or something. Specifically it seems as if the argument is being made that Obama is responsible for Libya.

    Is that the case?
    Yes that is largely the case, although there's blame enough for other Western countries, especially France. Bottom line being, 1973 authorized the use of force to protect civilians, and said nothing about removing the Libyan government, and, Russia was a keen observer including by satellite, and vocal from the beginning that the cruise missiles flying from US ships were hitting targets consistent with "regime change"! And this is the STATED reason that when attention moved on to Syria, both China and Russia consistently vetoed all attempts by the US to secure a resolution for the use of force there. Because as Bush tried but failed to articulate, "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me".
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I quoted a French leader who had also agreed that Saddam had WMD.. There is a difference.

    You aren't American, correct?
    The French agreed that Saddam had at some point had WMD. However pointed out that Hans Blix's report made an attack/invasion of Iraq unnecessary, at least at the time that George Bush was feigning that we must hurry for he's 6 months away from delivering a mushroom cloud over a US city. And my citizenship has what to do with this conversation?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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