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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Eager? No, I think that is over exaggeration on its face. Remember, Bush went to the UN countless times, and got at least 3 resolutions leading up to the conflict threatening Saddam. All of which were mocked by actions of misdirection, and misleading UN inspectors.

    Also, remember that most of our wars were entered into by demo's, this one is unusual in the scheme of war history in America. But with that said, has anyone ever reported the signature of the chem weapons used in Syria? See, it's just my opinion, but I think that some of those were Iraqi, and this whole "peace" process there is to cover that up.
    I'm not pointing a partisan finger dude. I'm pointing a finger at the White House, I don't care who's setting in there, all too often its a rush to war, with exaggeration, intrigue and deceit deployed to sway public opinion. Blind yourself to that fact if you will, you have plenty of company, and collectively you will ensure that Americans see plenty more of it!
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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

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    I offered clear evidence. Can you?
    There is a plethora of evidence that democrats are every bit as naive as are republicans .. and since we're on the top of Libya and Benghazi, are you sure you need more evidence of that?
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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Classic.....Translation: "J, I gave you all my liberal sources that spin the narrative on this, and your sources that I don't like are just poopy heads so I'm right and you're wrong." Then you stick your tongue out and utter a childish "naaaaah!"

    Yeah ok...
    yes, anything mainstream and accurate is "liberal." I understand that. It's now near as good as something off the wall and inaccurate. Understandable.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Stunning....You agree with me, and in the same post attack me for not seeing it "your way"..... Good grief....
    Make distinctions. it's often called for.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yep, and then the machine up'd the ante, fomenting fear amongst Americans after they were cornered due to Blix having found NOTHING, no smoking gun at all, we heard, ".......do we have to wait for the smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud over an American city?" And then reports that his capability to deliver such was 6-9 months distance. THAT was complete hyperbole, meant to sway American opinion just like has been used on Americans so many times in the past. However, Saddam Hussein was NEVER capable of delivering a mushroom cloud over an American city. Maybe one day, someday, Americans will learn the lesson, that the White House is often eager to go to war, when such is far from necessary.
    Only "Americans"? In fact there were 28 coalition members who shared the same beliefs, plus many more who chose not to get involved.

    “What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad’s regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs.” — Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

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    Make distinctions. it's often called for.
    Your dishonesty is not.
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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

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    Only "Americans"? In fact there were 28 coalition members who shared the same beliefs, plus many more who chose not to get involved.

    “What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad’s regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs.” — Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
    And then subsequent to that, with Hans Blix on the ground receiving cooperation from Saddam Hussein that he didn't get while inspecting back during the Gulf War, France had this to say, NOTE THE LARGE APPLAUSE WHEN FINISHED.

    France - On 20 January 2003, Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin said, "We think that military intervention would be the worst possible solution," although France believed that Iraq may have had an ongoing chemical and nuclear weapons program. Villepin went on to say that he believed the presence of UN weapons inspectors had frozen Iraq's weapons programs. France also suggested that it would veto any resolution allowing military intervention offered by the US or Britain. The most important French speech during the crisis was made by De Villepin at the Security Council on the 14 February 2003, after Hans Blix presented his detailed report (see below). De Villepin detailed the three major risks of a "premature recourse to the military option", especially the "incalculable consequences for the stability of this scarred and fragile region". He said that "the option of war might seem a priori to be the swiftest, but let us not forget that having won the war, one has to build peace". He emphasized that "real progress is beginning to be apparent" through the inspections, and that, "given the present state of our research and intelligence, in liaison with our allies", the alleged links between al-Qaeda and the regime in Baghdad explained by Colin Powell were not established. He concluded by referring to the dramatic experience of "old Europe" during World War II. This "impassioned" speech "against war on Iraq, or immediate war on Iraq", won "an unprecedented applause", reported the BBC's Sir David Frost (BBC News). The complete text is available at the Embassy of France in the United States. Britain and the US sharply criticized France for this position in March 2003.[citation needed]

    And that led to the babies on capital hill changing the cafaterias French fries to freedom fries! Oh dear.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...d_the_Iraq_War


    But besides all that Grant, my concerns and criticisms lay with the US government as an American, I care about how MY TAX DOLLARS are being used and how our military is being used around world. And the French were right with their concern that Iraq would be left destabilized, just take a look today!!
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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Only "Americans"? In fact there were 28 coalition members who shared the same beliefs, plus many more who chose not to get involved.

    “What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad’s regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs.” — Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
    This is the type of bull**** attitude that provokes me to anger about our government when it gets ready to go to war. Might makes right and **** you if you don't like it, get beside us, or get out of the way! That Saddam Hussein was not in anyway connected to 9/11 and that he was never a threat to the United States was irrelevant to the Bush doctrine born before he was president and supported by such neocons as Chrystal, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld and a handful of others.


    The beginning of the end of the international security system had actually come slightly earlier, on September 12, 2002, when President George W. Bush, to the surprise of many, brought his case against Iraq to the General Assembly and challenged the UN to take action against Baghdad for failing to disarm. "We will work with the UN Security Council for the necessary resolutions," Bush said. But he warned that he would act alone if the UN failed to cooperate.

    Washington's threat was reaffirmed a month later by Congress, when it gave Bush the authority to use force against Iraq without getting approval from the UN first. The American message seemed clear: as a senior administration official put it at the time, "we don't need the Security Council."


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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Your dishonesty is not.
    When you fail to understand it's not dishonesty on my part. You use that word too freely and in doing so more dishonest than anyone on the site.

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    Re: Senate report: Attacks in Benghazi could have been prevented

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And then subsequent to that, with Hans Blix on the ground receiving cooperation from Saddam Hussein that he didn't get while inspecting back during the Gulf War, France had this to say, NOTE THE LARGE APPLAUSE WHEN FINISHED.

    France - On 20 January 2003, Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin said, "We think that military intervention would be the worst possible solution," although France believed that Iraq may have had an ongoing chemical and nuclear weapons program. Villepin went on to say that he believed the presence of UN weapons inspectors had frozen Iraq's weapons programs. France also suggested that it would veto any resolution allowing military intervention offered by the US or Britain. The most important French speech during the crisis was made by De Villepin at the Security Council on the 14 February 2003, after Hans Blix presented his detailed report (see below). De Villepin detailed the three major risks of a "premature recourse to the military option", especially the "incalculable consequences for the stability of this scarred and fragile region". He said that "the option of war might seem a priori to be the swiftest, but let us not forget that having won the war, one has to build peace". He emphasized that "real progress is beginning to be apparent" through the inspections, and that, "given the present state of our research and intelligence, in liaison with our allies", the alleged links between al-Qaeda and the regime in Baghdad explained by Colin Powell were not established. He concluded by referring to the dramatic experience of "old Europe" during World War II. This "impassioned" speech "against war on Iraq, or immediate war on Iraq", won "an unprecedented applause", reported the BBC's Sir David Frost (BBC News). The complete text is available at the Embassy of France in the United States. Britain and the US sharply criticized France for this position in March 2003.[citation needed]

    And that led to the babies on capital hill changing the cafaterias French fries to freedom fries! Oh dear.

    United Nations Security Council and the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    But besides all that Grant, my concerns and criticisms lay with the US government as an American, I care about how MY TAX DOLLARS are being used and how our military is being used around world. And the French were right with their concern that Iraq would be left destabilized, just take a look today!!
    You'll notice that the connection between terrorists and Iraq was casually mentioned but they again acknowledged the existence of WMD, if not its possible use. That was mentioned at the earlier date I posted. The claim that "one also has to build the peace' was when the troubles really began with the Islamic terrorists in Iraq, and the French still didn't want to get involved despite their stating earlier how important building the peace was.

    Geez, that Freedom Fries idea was a joke! Are the French still upset about that???

    France could have helped to 'stabilize" Iraq but didn't. Who cares what they think? France, as always, has bitched about the Americans from the sidelines despite the Americans buried by the hundreds of thousands over there. Does anyone out there really care what the French think?

    I'm skeptical you are American, by the way.

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