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    Re: Senate Releases Report on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Do tell what was damning in the report, Jack?
    State was warned of the threat and was asked for additional security, ignored the former and turned down the latter. Hillary was SecState.
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    Re: Senate Releases Report on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    State was warned of the threat and was asked for additional security, ignored the former and turned down the latter. Hillary was SecState.
    so? that was the same thing the state deparments internal investigation came up with when they issued their report.

    So what is new in this senate report.
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    Re: Senate Releases Report on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    my question is what is so groundbreaking about this report?

    here is one key passage from the senate report



    http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/b...4/benghazi.pdf

    and for comparison here is a passage from the state departments own internal report from 2012:



    http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf

    don't these passages sound similar?

    that is just my opinion.
    You answered your own question. And I agree to a point.

    What this report allows by it's conclusions, is justification for an independent prosecutor to investigate if crimes were committed either inadvertently or intentionally. The fact that deaths resulted may rise to the level of criminal prosecution (criminal negligence for instance). At the very least, a court could determine what processes and procedures lead to the deaths and give a legal basis for the Congress to act to correct the problems without political push-back from either side. Then, maybe we can prevent similar deaths in future.

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    Re: Senate Releases Report on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    so? that was the same thing the state deparments internal investigation came up with when they issued their report.

    So what is new in this senate report.
    I don't believe State's internal report was quite so categorical, and in any case a bipartisan Senate report packs quite a bit more political punch than an internal State Dept. report.
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    Re: Senate Releases Report on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    You answered your own question. And I agree to a point.

    What this report allows by it's conclusions, is justification for an independent prosecutor to investigate if crimes were committed either inadvertently or intentionally. The fact that deaths resulted may rise to the level of criminal prosecution (criminal negligence for instance). At the very least, a court could determine what processes and procedures lead to the deaths and give a legal basis for the Congress to act to correct the problems without political push-back from either side. Then, maybe we can prevent similar deaths in future.
    i am not denying that, but i am trying to understand how this report would cause anything new to happen if the previous report said the same thing?
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    Re: Senate Releases Report on Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i am not denying that, but i am trying to understand how this report would cause anything new to happen if the previous report said the same thing?
    They aren't exactly the same. Similar, but not the same.

    Primarily, the difference here is that this report is a bi-partisan report that comes from the Congress which has the Constitutional power of oversight, and can appoint an independent prosecutor if the Justice Department doesn't.

    This gives both parties political cover to move forward with a criminal investigation, should they decide to do so.

    I'm not sure if it's needed though. What IS needed is reform in the communications pipeline between CIA, DOD and State, as well as a revamping of powers and responsibilities of State's decision makers as to what constitutes a "crisis" requiring additional help from DOD or evacuation of State's personnel.

    Of course, there's still the a lot of questions remaining such why we were there in Banghazi in the first place given the threats that existed? Was it another Iran-Contra type scheme? Who knows? I doubt it, but I don't know, and only an independent prosecutor could get to the bottom of it, like was done with Iran-Contra, in addition to Congressional hearings.

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    Re: Senate Releases Report on Benghazi

    Hillary should be the First Woman to be imprisoned at Guantanamo. Along with Obama of course.

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    Re: Senate Releases Report on Benghazi

    The report is damning for Hillary Clinton, Panetta, Obama, Biden and their White House aides.

    The evidence proves the State Department was responsible for the deaths of Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans.

    The State Dept was well aware of the threats in the region. June 12, 2012 the DIA produced a report titled "Libya: Terrorists Now Targeting U.S. and Western Interests" which said in part "We expect more anti-U.S. terrorist attacks in eastern Libya."

    The evidence of Steven's request by email for more security in July 2012 and again in August 2012 where he sent a full report of the degrading conditions and the knowledge of 10 al-Qaida training camps that had been established in the area. The State Department did not respond to his request. Less than a month later he was killed.

    The report tells at the same time that Stevens was asking for more security, the decision by other countries to abandon Benghazi because of increased militant activity meant that "tripwires" had been crossed and should have been a sign at that time for the U.S. to abandon as well but they did not. Meanwhile, the report notes that the CIA Annex one mile away "consistently upgraded its security posture over the same time period". But what the State Department did send Stevens in his pleas for more security was a surveillance camera system sent to the compound that was never installed because the State Dept. did not send a technical team to do the work.

    The report along with the testimony given at hearings proves there was no riot over some YouTube video that caused the attack but 15 minutes after the attack Panetta was alerted and a big pow wow occurred at the White House and every damn one of them knew it was al-Qaida yet they concocted a story to lie to the American people this was all about a YouTube video. Why? because it showed incompetence within the State Department and 2. it was an election year where the President was campaigning on how we had al-Qaida on the run.

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