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    Re: West Virginia chemical spill shines spotlight on loose regulation

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I have no problem with that type of regulation. What I do have a problem with is government regulations which prevent competition in the marketplace, and manipulate supply and demand.
    Absolutely. A study published last year showed that American families may be 75 percent poorer than they should be, all due to an abundance of federal regulations. The economists looked at the number of pages in the Code of Federal Regulations from 1949 to 2011 and discovered a more than sixfold increase. The data indicate that if regulations had been frozen in 1949, families today would be earning an average of $330,000, rather than the current $53,000. Another conclusion ..... the GDP at the end of 2011 would have been $53.9 trillion, instead of $15.1 trillion.

    It's an interesting read..

    http://www4.ncsu.edu/~jjseater/regulationandgrowth.pdf

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    Re: West Virginia chemical spill shines spotlight on loose regulation

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    I have trouble believing that the majority of today's libertarians and conservatives believe that.
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    Sorry, but I can't help you out there. What you believe is up to you.
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    Re: West Virginia chemical spill shines spotlight on loose regulation

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Sorry, but I can't help you out there. What you believe is up to you.
    Now that is vintage libertarianism.

    Just remember, we're all in this world together, and what we do almost always affects others in some way. This chemical spill is a classic example of that.

    BTW, while we're on this news topic: So much for "clean coal."
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    Re: West Virginia chemical spill shines spotlight on loose regulation

    If loose regulations in West Virginia are to blame for this spill, then you must also blame the Democrat governorship of that state who have been in power for the past 13 years.

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    Re: West Virginia chemical spill shines spotlight on loose regulation

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    I think the author meant to say "there wasn't much enforcement". To somehow think that the EPA and regulations ceased to exist around a specific site is idiotic.
    I strongly disagree. If you don't like regulations, and are in Congress, you gut the funding for it, and the regulations are effectively demolished. A case in point is the FDA, whose funds have been heavily gutted. The result? We get to eat fish that are raised on feces. Tilapia is pushed heavily in restaurant advertising now, but only 1.7 percent of tilapia is inspected, because the FDA no longer has the funds to properly inspect food. Most of our supply of tilapia comes from China, and tilapia ponds there have chicken coops above them. The chickens poop into the ponds, and that is what the tilapia eat. And that is essentially what WE eat, if we eat tilapia. As a result, the tilapia that comes to America from China has absolutely no nutritional value, and there is danger of E-coli contamination. You can say that the industry is regulated all you want to, but with the cutting of funds, it really isn't, despite what the rules say on paper.
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    Re: West Virginia chemical spill shines spotlight on loose regulation

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    A town of 300,000 people without potable drinking water for days is a pretty major screwup. Although I do have a somewhat strong Libertarian streak in many areas, government regulation is not one of them. We need regulation. Why? Because of the human nature that drives many companies to dangerously cut corners in order to make a buck. In fairness to Freedom Industries, the owner of this facility, they had just bought the property a few months before this happened. However, although the facility had been inspected as recently as 2012, that tank that leaked the pollutants into this town's water supply had not been inspected since 1991. That is unacceptable. Although there is a lot to be said for Libertarianism, the same cannot be said of the extremist Randist and Anarcho-Capitalist branches of it, which advocate no regulation at all. This spill is the poster boy for why we DO need government regulation.

    Article is here.
    Regulation would have stopped this from happening? Guaranteed? That is quite a silly claim.

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    Re: West Virginia chemical spill shines spotlight on loose regulation

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    If loose regulations in West Virginia are to blame for this spill, then you must also blame the Democrat governorship of that state who have been in power for the past 13 years.
    Of course! If you're a Republican, blame the Democrats, and vice versa. That will fix things.

    Or, we could ask ourselves just who approved having tanks of toxic chemicals on a river and just upstream from a drinking water facility.

    Or, better yet, how many more tanks of toxic chemicals are located on or near waterways? Maybe the time to move them would be before there is another spill.
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    Re: West Virginia chemical spill shines spotlight on loose regulation

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I strongly disagree. If you don't like regulations, and are in Congress, you gut the funding for it, and the regulations are effectively demolished. A case in point is the FDA, whose funds have been heavily gutted. The result? We get to eat fish that are raised on feces. Tilapia is pushed heavily in restaurant advertising now, but only 1.7 percent of tilapia is inspected, because the FDA no longer has the funds to properly inspect food. Most of our supply of tilapia comes from China, and tilapia ponds there have chicken coops above them. The chickens poop into the ponds, and that is what the tilapia eat. And that is essentially what WE eat, if we eat tilapia. As a result, the tilapia that comes to America from China has absolutely no nutritional value, and there is danger of E-coli contamination. You can say that the industry is regulated all you want to, but with the cutting of funds, it really isn't, despite what the rules say on paper.
    What regulation wasn't enforced due to lack of funding? Your linked article doesn't even talk about regulation, nor does it show the title or quote you've linked, so I'm not sure where the "lack of regulation" or "lack of enforcement" claim came from.

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    Re: West Virginia chemical spill shines spotlight on loose regulation

    There is a difference between regulating the market to rig it in order to decide winners and losers and regulating the market for the safety of its employees. Generally, Libertarians like to think "as long as it does not violate the rights or liberties of others it should not be regulated". Dumping unknown chemicals into a public area certainly falls under the category of taking away the liberty of others.
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    Re: West Virginia chemical spill shines spotlight on loose regulation

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Dumping unknown chemicals into a public area certainly falls under the category of taking away the liberty of others.
    It is currently legal to do this?

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