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Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

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You should also be skeptical of un named sources contained in a hit piece. But I won't hold my breath.

Not so much. It's a time honored method. And it's reported elsewhere separately. The Washington Post even reports they held up at Administration request before breaking it. That's enough to consider it highly likely.
 
Oh, "Senior Administration Officials"? As opposed to what, a guy in the office next door? What "Senior Administration Officials"? Who? Don't you think it just a little suspicious that these people are not named? For all I know the NYT made it up.

Oh, I see. Going to answer my two questions j-mac?
 
Not so much. It's a time honored method. And it's reported elsewhere separately. The Washington Post even reports they held up at Administration request before breaking it. That's enough to consider it highly likely.

No, it's propaganda. pure and simple. Period.
 
No, it's propaganda. pure and simple. Period.

Yes, news that doesn't affirm your belief system is propaganda. I get that. But that has nothing to do with the facts.
 
Sure, when you have something more than un named sources.

My two questions have nothing to do with that. Are you going to answer them, or not?
 
No, it's propaganda. pure and simple. Period.

October 31, 2001: A number of whistleblowers reveal the extent of the NSA’s surveillance of the communications of U.S. citizens. The aforementioned William Binney and J. Kirk Wiebe resign from the Agency because they believe that a component of Thin Thread (which they developed) has been used to illegally spy on Americans' private communications. Moreover, Binney and Wiebe contend that if Thin Thread had been utilized properly, it could have detected the 9/11 plot in its planning phase and thus could have prevented the attacks.
 
May 2006: The NSA begins violating the rules governing telephone-record surveillance by collecting metadata on millions of calls that are made to (or from) a select list of nearly 4,000 phone numbers whose owners -- some of whom are based in the United States -- clearly have no terrorist ties. This abuse will continue until January 24, 2009, by which time the list of improperly monitored phone numbers has grown to about 16,000. Moreover, the abuse will not be publicly exposed until September 10, 2013.
 
On January 17, 2006, the Center for Constitutional Rights filed a lawsuit, CCR v. Bush, against the George W. Bush Presidency. The lawsuit challenged the National Security Agency's (NSA's) surveillance of people within the U.S., including the interception of CCR emails without securing a warrant first.[179][180]
In September 2008, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) filed a class action lawsuit against the NSA and several high-ranking officials of the Bush administration,[181] charging an "illegal and unconstitutional program of dragnet communications surveillance,"[182] based on documentation provided by former AT&T technician Mark Klein.[183]
AT&T Internet monitoring[edit]
Further information: Hepting v. AT&T, Jewel v. NSA, Mark Klein, NSA warrantless surveillance controversy
In May 2006, Mark Klein, a former AT&T employee, alleged that his company had cooperated with NSA in installing Narus hardware to replace the FBI Carnivore program, to monitor network communications including traffic between American citizens.[184]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency
 
Everything in those three posts transpired during the Bush administration.
 
Liberal Obama supporters always ask the question about what would like Obama to do? Well, when he comes out like this, threatening to just go around congress, and make law himself void of the legislative process, then it is no longer the country I recognize...I guess Podesta is already making his presence felt.

It is no wonder we think Obama is dangerous, because HE IS!

We have a process in this country to do these things Obama wants to do, and it certainly is not unilaterally. We don't have a King, we don't have a dictator, what we have in Obama may actually be worse.

I don't think that's what the President is saying.

People forget that federal executive departments are given a lot of discretion to deal with issues that come up. It's written into the laws that authorize them. They don't make law, they write rules and regulations, and the President has considerable input in that process. For example, it wasn't Congress who told the EPA to regulate CO2. The EPA decided that regulation of CO2 is part of their legal mandate to protect air quality. This, in effect, gave them the legal authority to regulate the whole fossil fuel industry, and so they are in the process of shutting down coal burning plants. None of that was spelled out in the law, but the way the law was implemented gave them the power to do things not foreseen by the legislators who wrote the law.

The executive, judicial and legislative branches of government are bound by the checks and balances of the Constitution. But those checks and balances have no effect on executive departments that have grown so large and control so much. The constitutional government just fades into the background and the executive branch runs everything.

But I digress. The point is that yes, the President has a lot of power that can be exercised as a result of the sheer size and complexity of the executive branch and the discretion and independence built into it. It gives him a lot of levers. He need write no new laws.

This extends to the debate about the ACA, too. Many have been concerned about the way the President has changed details of implementation to address problems that have come up. The law does not authorize him to make those changes, they say. He’s breaking the law, they say. But I'm not sure that the President doesn't have the authority to do those things since such legislation often authorizes an agency to "do what is necessary" to implement broad goals. There are many, many such clauses in the ACA.

The bottom line is this: A government with the power to do so many things tends toward oligarchic authoritarianism. If we end up in that waste basket, or that ash heap of history, with the old USSR then it’s our own fault.
 
Sorry, I've forgotten them....What were they again?

Do you think the nations next republican president will end this NSA program. One at a time.
 
Oh I see the Obama haters are still in the process of pretending they've just found out about signing statements. Let the faux outrage continue.
 
Liberal Obama supporters always ask the question about what would like Obama to do? Well, when he comes out like this, threatening to just go around congress, and make law himself void of the legislative process, then it is no longer the country I recognize...I guess Podesta is already making his presence felt.

It is no wonder we think Obama is dangerous, because HE IS!

We have a process in this country to do these things Obama wants to do, and it certainly is not unilaterally. We don't have a King, we don't have a dictator, what we have in Obama may actually be worse.

Just wondering if you would like to re-open this thread to criticize Trump for the executive actions he is taking now, seeing as he is doing an end-run around congress in order to build a pet project that congress has never voted on.

Trump orders construction of border wall, targets sanctuary cities | Fox News
 
Just wondering if you would like to re-open this thread to criticize Trump for the executive actions he is taking now, seeing as he is doing an end-run around congress in order to build a pet project that congress has never voted on.

Trump orders construction of border wall, targets sanctuary cities | Fox News

Uhm...
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Secure Fence Act... signed long time ago... all Trump did was say "Do it now." Since ya know, Congress already approved it.

Ooops
 
Just wondering if you would like to re-open this thread to criticize Trump for the executive actions he is taking now, seeing as he is doing an end-run around congress in order to build a pet project that congress has never voted on.

Trump orders construction of border wall, targets sanctuary cities | Fox News

You mean the one XO that canceled a pile of the previous XOs? Sanctuary cities were already in violation. The part of the OX that addresses sanctuary cities just clarifies what the DOJ already stated more than six months ago, while Obama was in office.

Sanctuary city policy gets funding yanked by federal government - Washington Times
By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Thursday, July 7, 2016

The Justice Department said Thursday it has warned sanctuary cities to quit shielding illegal immigrants from deportation agents or else lose federal grant money, putting some muscle behind Republicans’ push to punish cities and counties that have refused to cooperate.
 
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Uhm...
Access Denied
Secure Fence Act... signed long time ago... all Trump did was say "Do it now." Since ya know, Congress already approved it.

Ooops

That article doesn't say what you are saying it says.

oops.
 
Just wondering if you would like to re-open this thread to criticize Trump for the executive actions he is taking now, seeing as he is doing an end-run around congress in order to build a pet project that congress has never voted on.

Trump orders construction of border wall, targets sanctuary cities | Fox News

???. from the article you linked:

To build the wall, the president is relying in part on a 2006 law that authorized several hundred miles of fencing along the 2,000-mile frontier. That bill led to the construction of about 700 miles of various kinds of fencing designed to block both vehicles and pedestrians.
 
???. from the article you linked:

To build the wall, the president is relying in part on a 2006 law that authorized several hundred miles of fencing along the 2,000-mile frontier. That bill led to the construction of about 700 miles of various kinds of fencing designed to block both vehicles and pedestrians.

So, a law authorized several hundred miles of fencing, which were completed. He's now reviving it to build thousands of miles that the law did not call for.
 
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