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Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

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bottom line-rich liberals pander to the masses by bashing rich people. Its funny watching people who get rich through public office (like the Clintons and the Obamas) bashing people who normally got rich by working hard and smart

Do only liberals get rich through public office?
 
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At any rate, Obama's biggest mistake as Krugman often points out, is cutting spending too soon. He holds a tight fiscal policy at a time we need spending to occur.

That's hilarious hearing liberals get criticised for cutting spending! At anytime. PURE partisan rhetoric.
 
I agree with that completely. Every president seems to give that office more power than when they came in.
As this continues we will have a dictator.




I don't believe that's going to happen as long as Congress has the power to impeach the President of the USA and we continue to have elections.
 
Well, both parties resist cutting spending. If there us any difference, it's what they spend on. But that's another issue.

That would be very true of the most recent crop of old guard Republicans who are presently in control. All one can hope is that Tea Party Caucus and similar activists can re-infuse the historical Republican party platform plank of fiscal conservatism.
 
Well, both parties resist cutting spending. If there us any difference, it's what they spend on. But that's another issue.

Exactly - federal gov't spending is federal gov't power so neither party wants to cede that federal power.
 
Um, no. It's called main stream economics. Only partisan hacks see everything as Dems vs Repubs.

That was (has been forever) my point. Or are you saying in that that I am a partisan hack? Not quite sure of your intent with that. :)
 
Problem is mainstream economist don't agree with you or the TP crowd.

"This view contrasts with that held by most economists, which will be referred to as “mainstream economics.” Mainstream economics relies on a basic theory regarding policies to expand the economy in a downturn. This theory can be found in economics textbooks and is used by government and private forecasters to project the path of the economy.3 This view has been the basis for fiscal and monetary policy interventions to stimulate the economy for many years, under both Republican and Democratic administrations. Chairman Bernanke of the Federal Reserve was referring to this view when he cautioned against large and immediate spending cuts.4 The basic thrust of the model for fiscal policy is that increasing the deficit (whether by increasing spending or cutting taxes) expands an underemployed economy, and decreasing the deficit (cutting spending or raising taxes) contracts it. https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41849.pdf

Under extraordinary circumstances for a short time to smooth out the inevitable economic down cycles, fine. As an ongoing fiscal policy, spending always exceeding income resulting in deficits every year, no. How long as it been since the federal government has spent less than it's taken in? It's been decades, and has been fiscally irresponsible all along. DC has a spending problem. A serious spending problem, and there are no signs at all that it's getting any better, any fiscally more responsible. That's a problem.
 
Under extraordinary circumstances for a short time to smooth out the inevitable economic down cycles, fine. As an ongoing fiscal policy, spending always exceeding income resulting in deficits every year, no. How long as it been since the federal government has spent less than it's taken in? It's been decades, and has been fiscally irresponsible all along. DC has a spending problem. A serious spending problem, and there are no signs at all that it's getting any better, any fiscally more responsible. That's a problem.

I don't doubt that we do have a spending problem, but you don't cut spending when the economy is trying to recovery. There is a time and place for everything.
 
It's perfectly legal for you to plan to kidnap someone as long as you don't do it. There aren't many crimes you can be convicted of re: just planning to do it without actually doing it.

Likewise it's perfectly fine for Obama to talk about doing whatever he likes as long as he's not doing anything illegal.

No one has suggested that it is illegal for him to talk about it. What has been pointed out is that it would be Unconstitutional if he were to do it.

And no, it's not "perfectly fine" for Obama to suggest or threaten to make a power grab for legislative authority.
 
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I don't doubt that we do have a spending problem, but you don't cut spending when the economy is trying to recovery. There is a time and place for everything.

On the contrary, that is the perfect time to increase the portion of resources that are being more effectively allocated.
 
I don't even know you so my intent has nothing to do with you.

Well, you likely don't "know" anybody here. Now will you kindly restate your comment to me. I asked for clarification nicely enough, didn't I?
 
Sure. If that is your premise.

Well, do you want me to inundate you with the annual government waste reports, stories of $2,000 toilet seats, examples of mass government failure when it attempts to supplant businesses...?
 
Well, you likely don't "know" anybody here. Now will you kindly restate your comment to me. I asked for clarification nicely enough, didn't I?

Oh, on the contrary, I am quite familiar with many posters here. I know the ones who constantly use the Dems vs the Repubs line. It's quite pathetic.
 
Oh, on the contrary, I am quite familiar with many posters here. I know the ones who constantly use the Dems vs the Repubs line. It's quite pathetic.

Ok. So are you suggesting I'm one of those? Are you going to clarify your earliest comment to me?
 
Well, do you want me to inundate you with the annual government waste reports, stories of $2,000 toilet seats, examples of mass government failure when it attempts to supplant businesses...?

Sure, knock yourself out, if your premise is the government is in the debt it is now due to such stories.
 
Sure, knock yourself out, if your premise is the government is in the debt it is now due to such stories.

No, that is a strawman. The main driver of our debt is our entitlement spending.

What I am pointing out is that government spending at large generally represents a less productive allocation of resources. You get plenty of allocations that increase net productivity by solving tragedy of the commons (enforcement of contracts, defense, public environmental protection), but those allocations sadly do not make up all or even at this point a majority of what the federal government does. Reducing government spending, therefore, during an economic downturn effectively returns a greater portion of available resources back to more productive uses, thereby aiding the economy, not burdening it.
 
That would be very true of the most recent crop of old guard Republicans who are presently in control. All one can hope is that Tea Party Caucus and similar activists can re-infuse the historical Republican party platform plank of fiscal conservatism.

I think it's always been more talk than actual fiscal control. Always just so ending in a different area. After, the debt didn't just happen.

As for the tea party, I've found them unimpressive in a lot of areas.r
 
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Exactly - federal gov't spending is federal gov't power so neither party wants to cede that federal power.

Sort of. The job actual does require addressing some issues. Often that presents budgetary issues that are nit black and white. But there is too much of what you suggest here. I won't dispute that.
 
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