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Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

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Glen Contrarian said:
Yes, if a Democrat does it a few times, that makes it okay for the Republicans to do it more times than at any other point in American history.
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I don't care who did it first, or more, or any other childish excuse for it. It has to stop.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Lots of them. How many Republicans claimed that they would 'get rid of big government'? I mean, c'mon, guy - you need to learn to not read too much into what someone says, but base your judgement instead on what that someone does.
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OK, fine, so let's take a short look at how he has "fundamentally transform the United States."

  • Suddenly the unstoppable American economy is stopped cold in its tracks.
  • Our GDP is in quicksand.
  • The great American jobs juggernaut is in reverse.
  • We have chronic unemployment.
  • The lowest work force participation rate in 35 years.
  • Massive deficit and debt.

Not liking this 'Hope and Change' of his, and why should I? It is fundamentally making things worse, allot worse. Not better. C'mon, guys, this is the truth. How many 'Summers of Recovery' have we had? 3? 4? And the economy just keeps sliding, as would the stock market if it weren't on the Fed's monthly steroid injections.

Republicans claiming to 'get rid of big government' have not nearly done as much damage to the nation as this president and his excessively liberal / progressive agenda coupled with his fundamental lack of leadership and even a simplistic understanding of economics and markets.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Obama spying on people, creating a welfare state, Holder refusing to charge minorities with hate crimes, Holder suing states, Obama appointing judges that share his same politics...

I can go on with the legislative and judicial monopoly Obama has on the people, states, legislative, judicial and executive branches of government. Not to mention smaller agencies such as as the IRS and such.

Obamacare is a perfect example..

I have plenty of evidence that Obama is a totalitarian tyrant, with limited powers until him and his appointed cronies steal our guns (our only way to preserve this constitutional republic).
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Again, all of that is mostly overstated. The spying has been well criticized with Bush before him and with him, but it hardly reaches Stalin proportions, not even under Bush. Not sure your issue with minorities, but a difference of opinion isn't equal to being Stalin either. Nor would Stalin have filed a law suit (by definition lawful). And when have administrations ever appointed judges on the whole that disagreed with them politically? Seriously.

And ACA is not anything like a Stalin program. This program is a perfect example where the exaggerations just go over the top.

And no, you have little to no actual evidence.
 
eohrnberger said:
Republicans claiming to 'get rid of big government' have not nearly done as much damage to the nation as this president and his excessively liberal / progressive agenda coupled with his fundamental lack of leadership and even a simplistic understanding of economics and markets.
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Please do tell how he has a progressive/liberal agenda. It seems to me he has more of a conservative one since he uses a tight fiscal policy.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Please do tell how he has a progressive/liberal agenda. It seems to me he has more of a conservative one since he uses a tight fiscal monetary policy.
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So all this class warfare rhetoric of Obama's is a conservative agenda item? That'd be a 'hardly'.

Class warfare / class envy is the sole realm of liberal / progressive / Democrats. The conservative position is 'if you want it, go and figure out how to earn it'.

Surely.
 
eohrnberger said:
So all this class warfare rhetoric of Obama's is a conservative agenda item? That'd be a 'hardly'.

Class warfare / class envy is the sole realm of liberal / progressive / Democrats. The conservative position is 'if you want it, go and figure out how to earn it'.

Surely.
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The notion is a false. Both sides use the rhetoric, but there is no real warfare. There is no real envy shared by political sides. Conservatives use it to feel better about questionable positions, and makes it easier for them to avoid addressing the real issues.
 
eohrnberger said:
So all this class warfare rhetoric of Obama's is a conservative agenda item? That'd be a 'hardly'.

Class warfare / class envy is the sole realm of liberal / progressive / Democrats. The conservative position is 'if you want it, go and figure out how to earn it'.

Surely.
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Proof please.
 
Boo Radley said:
Again, all of that is mostly overstated. The spying has been well criticized with Bush before him and with him, but it hardly reaches Stalin proportions, not even under Bush. Not sure your issue with minorities, but a difference of opinion isn't equal to being Stalin either. Nor would Stalin have filed a law suit (by definition lawful). And when have administrations ever appointed judges on the whole that disagreed with them politically? Seriously.

And ACA is not anything like a Stalin program. This program is a perfect example where the exaggerations just go over the top.

And no, you have little to no actual evidence.
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Yeah, well Bush didn't have drones spying on US civilians, nor was Bush buying farmland under the ruse of "wind farms" and he certainly didn't circumvent congress, nor appointed shady individuals into policy making positions or forced them to buy a product. Not to mention lied about every aspect of his presidency - Obama - the most allegedly transparent is the least and Bush was epically transparent and BLUNT...

Bush was a no bull**** type of guy and Obama is a passive ***** that is sympathetic to everything non US.



And I'm not even trying to defend Bush.
 
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Boo Radley said:
The notion is a false. Both sides use the rhetoric, but there is no real warfare. There is no real envy shared by political sides. Conservatives use it to feel better about questionable positions, and makes it easier for them to avoid addressing the real issues.
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Yeah, right. Keep believing that.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Yeah, well Bush didn't have drones spying on US civilians, nor was Bush buying farmland under the ruse of "wind farms" and he certainly didn't circumvent congress, nor appointed shady individuals into policy making positions. Not to mention lied about every aspect of his presidency - Obama - the most allegedly transparent is the least and Bush was epically transparent and BLUNT...

Bush was a no bull**** type of guy and Obama is a passive ***** that is sympathetic to everything non US.



And I'm not even trying to defend Bush.
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Not at all. You are stating facts.

Further, Bush didn't blow a huge amount of money on an alleged 'green tech recovery' that had no chance to succeed or continue to the recovery, and only was a means to reward supporters and donors from the tax payer monies. Solyndra being only a single example there of.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Yeah, well Bush didn't have drones spying on US civilians, nor was Bush buying farmland under the ruse of "wind farms" and he certainly didn't circumvent congress, nor appointed shady individuals into policy making positions or forced them to buy a product. Not to mention lied about every aspect of his presidency - Obama - the most allegedly transparent is the least and Bush was epically transparent and BLUNT...

Bush was a no bull**** type of guy and Obama is a passive ***** that is sympathetic to everything non US.



And I'm not even trying to defend Bush.
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Are you sure it didn't happen under Bush? Mueller, who testified before congress, was appointed under Bush (2001). Seems likely it started there. But all of this comes from the fear of terrorism, again, started under Bush. And yes, Bush circumvented quite a bit. Bush lied about nearly every aspect of his presidency. And no, Bush just said stupid ****. That's not equal to blunt.

The point is, none of this rises to Stalin, be it Bush or Obama.

This is Stalin:

Stalin, as head of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, consolidated near-absolute power in the 1930s with a Great Purge of the party that was justified as an attempt to expel "opportunists" and "counter-revolutionary infiltrators".[43][44] Those targeted by the purge were often expelled from the party, however more severe measures ranged from banishment to the Gulag labor camps to execution after trials held by NKVD troikas.[43][45][46]

In the 1930s, Stalin apparently became increasingly worried about the growing popularity of the Leningrad party boss Sergei Kirov. At the 1934 Party Congress where the vote for the new Central Committee was held, Kirov received only three negative votes, the fewest of any candidate, while Stalin received at least over a hundred negative votes.[47][48] After the assassination of Kirov, which may have been orchestrated by Stalin, Stalin invented a detailed scheme to implicate opposition leaders in the murder, including Trotsky, Kamenev and Zinoviev.[49] The investigations and trials expanded.[50] Stalin passed a new law on "terrorist organizations and terrorist acts" that were to be investigated for no more than ten days, with no prosecution, defense attorneys or appeals, followed by a sentence to be executed "quickly."[51]

Thereafter, several trials known as the Moscow Trials were held, but the procedures were replicated throughout the country. Article 58 of the legal code, which listed prohibited anti-Soviet activities as counterrevolutionary crime, was applied in the broadest manner.[52] The flimsiest pretexts were often enough to brand someone an "enemy of the people", starting the cycle of public persecution and abuse, often proceeding to interrogation, torture and deportation, if not death. The Russian word troika gained a new meaning: a quick, simplified trial by a committee of three subordinated to NKVD -NKVD troika- with sentencing carried out within 24 hours.[51] Stalin's hand-picked executioner, Vasili Blokhin, was entrusted with carrying out some of the high profile executions in this period.[53]

Many military leaders were convicted of treason and a large-scale purge of Red Army officers followed.[55] The repression of so many formerly high-ranking revolutionaries and party members led Leon Trotsky to claim that a "river of blood" separated Stalin's regime from that of Lenin.[56] In August 1940, Trotsky was assassinated in Mexico, where he had lived in exile since January 1937; this eliminated the last of Stalin's opponents among the former Party leadership.[57]

Joseph Stalin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
That's a complete dodge.
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Sure it is.
  • Obama's Class Warfare: Don't Get Fooled Again - Chuck Norris - Page full
    Have you noticed how the Obama campaign has stepped up its class warfare rhetoric as we draw closer to Election Day? President Barack Obama constantly resorts to this tactic because he's simply unable to defend his own record in office, as 23 million Americans are out of work or underemployed and the economy remains in distress.Class warfare is all he has left.
  • Full text of Barack Obama's speech in Osawatomie, Kansas | World news | theguardian.com
    Look at the statistics. In the last few decades, the average income of the top 1% has gone up by more than 25% to $1.2m per year. I'm not talking about millionaires, people who have a million dollars. I'm saying people who make a million dollars every single year. For the top one hundredth of 1%, the average income is now $27m per year. The typical CEO who used to earn about 30 times more than his or her worker now earns 110 times more. And yet, over the last decade the incomes of most Americans have actually fallen by about 6%.
  • Morning Examiner: Obama pivots to class warfare | WashingtonExaminer.com
    Hence today’s announcement, leaked to The New York Times, that Obama “is changing the subject to tax fairness” by calling for tax hikes on all Americans who make more than $250,000 a year. According to the Times, Obama “hopes to deepen the contrast with his challenger, Mitt Romney. On Friday, the president said Mr. Romney would ‘give $5 trillion of new tax cuts on top of the Bush tax cuts, most of them going to the wealthiest Americans.’”
    Class warfare it is then.
  • Obama’s Speech: Class Warfare and Hope is not a Plan | RedState

Obama's recurring 'bail out' tactic, whenever the news is bad about his administration, is to pivot to a class ware fare and class envy strategy, to get the complicit Biased Lame Stream Media (BLSM) to cover that, instead of the bad news about his administration.

Please. Even you have to be able to see this.
 
Boo Radley said:
Don't rely much on "belief." You're factually wrong.
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How so? How so am I facutally wrong that the present president and administration haven't used class warfare and class envy topics to generate outrage among their extremist base, in support of their agenda?
 
eohrnberger said:
How so?
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Nooooooo! poor choice..You will never get a straight answer, and when you do follow the rabbit down the hole, he will just change the parameters and leave you standing there asking...."what the?.....
 
j-mac said:
Nooooooo! poor choice..You will never get a straight answer, and when you do follow the rabbit down the hole, he will just change the parameters and leave you standing there asking...."what the?.....
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Oops. Haven't discussed much with Boo. Guess I'm still learnin' the ropes.
 
eohrnberger said:
Look at the statistics. In the last few decades, the average income of the top 1% has gone up by more than 25% to $1.2m per year. I'm not talking about millionaires, people who have a million dollars. I'm saying people who make a million dollars every single year. For the top one hundredth of 1%, the average income is now $27m per year. The typical CEO who used to earn about 30 times more than his or her worker now earns 110 times more. And yet, over the last decade the incomes of most Americans have actually fallen by about 6%.
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Okay, I'll pull from Obama's actual words and not Chuck Norris' opinion or anyone else's for that matter, since I will make my own using evidence. My question is what is wrong with Obama speaking the truth? I understand truth hurts, but this is a problem. Is it better to put blinders on?
 
eohrnberger said:
OK, fine, so let's take a short look at how he has "fundamentally transform the United States."

  • Suddenly the unstoppable American economy is stopped cold in its tracks.
  • Our GDP is in quicksand.
  • The great American jobs juggernaut is in reverse.
  • We have chronic unemployment.
  • The lowest work force participation rate in 35 years.
  • Massive deficit and debt.

Not liking this 'Hope and Change' of his, and why should I? It is fundamentally making things worse, allot worse. Not better. C'mon, guys, this is the truth. How many 'Summers of Recovery' have we had? 3? 4? And the economy just keeps sliding, as would the stock market if it weren't on the Fed's monthly steroid injections.

Republicans claiming to 'get rid of big government' have not nearly done as much damage to the nation as this president and his excessively liberal / progressive agenda coupled with his fundamental lack of leadership and even a simplistic understanding of economics and markets.
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REALLY?????

"The unstoppable American economy is stopped cold in its tracks"...which is very true IF you completely ignore the fact that our economy was in free fall, losing 800K jobs per month when Obama took over, but last year the Dow hit record highs FIFTY times!

"Our GDP is in quicksand."...which is very true IF you completely ignore the provable facts and hard numbers:
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"The great American jobs juggernaut is in reverse."...which is very true IF you ignore the provable facts and hard numbers:
DPCCPrivateSectorPayroll11014.jpg

"We have chronic unemployment."...never mind that the Republican-controlled House refuses to even take a vote on jobs bill submitted by the Obama administration...and any GOP jobs bills consist almost solely of tax cuts.

"The lowest work force participation rate in 35 years."...see the above.

"Massive deficit and debt."...never mind that Obama's cut the deficit in more than half since he took office - note the crap sandwich that the Bush administration had left him:
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Glen Contrarian said:
Which is why Reid nuked the filibuster option for presidential nominees. It stopped...and conservatives howled in outrage.
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That is pure rancid bologna...Reid nuked the filibuster so that Obama could pack the DC circuit court, the court that is responsible for the 1st line in any challenge to what this criminal is doing in office....But that you are totally fine with the nuclear option in the Senate, when during Bush demo's like Reid were screaming to the heavens how it would be unAmerican to do that speaks volumes.
 
eohrnberger said:
How so? How so am I facutally wrong that the present president and administration haven't used class warfare and class envy topics to generate outrage among their extremist base, in support of their agenda?
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Yes. Talking about an issue isn't class warfare.
 
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