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Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

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cpwill said:
Unfortunately, the post above is a fair demonstration of the level of education and thought that most voters will bring to the process.


Well, golly gee whillickers, if he says he's only gonna do good things, why shouldn't he be allowed to effectively toss our Constitution overboard?


:roll: Democracy ensures we will be governed no better than we deserve.





But you know what, it's okay. Because crap like this establishes a Precedent. The Republican President of 2017 should announce that in order to "create jobs" and "help our children learn" and "take care of our elderly" while "saving children from slavery", "stopping animal abuse", and "making everyone feel loved", he is unilaterally reforming the entitlements, applying anti-monopoly law to Unions, voiding Obamacare, dramatically reducing tax and regulatory complexity, getting rid of the Department of Education, and ending Agricultural Subsidies, the National Labor Relations Board, all tariffs, estate taxes, and the minimum wage. If Congress complains, he can simply declare them to be in recess, meaning that their complaints have no legal power.


What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Grant powers to the Presidency beyond its' Constitutional scope, and you can get f-----d right back.
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See my response above. It applies here too. Whether you like it or not the president does have that power. Whoever the next president is I am certain you will not judge him by his actions, but by the letter in front of their name. Conservatives and liberals alike have proven that more times than I can count. The party of a person means more than their actions.
 
Kreton said:
Yea! I hate it when a President wants "make sure our kids are getting the best education possible". And nothing pisses me off more than a President who wants to be "making sure that our businesses are getting the kind of support and help they need to grow and advance". And I'll be damned if I am going to sit idle when a president wants "to make sure that people are getting the skills that they need to get those jobs that our businesses are creating.”

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Total bull****, red herring statement intended to deflect from the real issue. As the Executive, he is welcome to assure all those things, AS LONG AS THEY ARE PART OF LAWS LEGISLATED THROUGH CONGRESS. And don't read this as my tacid support for social programs, this is purely about separation of powers. That's what this thread is about. This isn't about your pet issue.
 
shrubnose said:
That's your opinion.

Which you are entitled to, and which I and most Americans, will ignore.
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Oh, so you speak for "Most Americans" now do you? Do us a favor and turn the arrogance off will ya?

President Obama hasn't done anything, since he's been in the White House, that other American presidents haven't done or tried to do.
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You're right, so I guess your argument in this march toward trashing the constitution is 'as long as it is someone I agree with it's ok'....Wow what a patriot you are.

But quite a few people on the right haven't treated him the same way that they have treated other American presidents. Some of them have even claimed that he's not an American and that he is a Muslim.
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I don't think I have ever said he is a Muslim. Sympathetic maybe. A dhimmi in his deference that has weakened us in the region absolutely. So, you can take your slurs, and....er, ah....knock it off.

Well I have some news for all of you far-right losers: President Obama is a Christian, and an American and he'll be in the White House until another Democrat takes his place in 2017.
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"Losers"? Wow how civil, how kind, way to get your point across....Could have been easier achieved by taking your hat off though.

I advise all of you far-right losers to get a grip and deal with the current reality, if you want anyone to listen to a single word that you say.
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We already know that you dishonest progressives won't listen, so we are done listening to what you think we should do...Concentrate on yourselves, and leave our internal decisions to us k? Then when we get in, and start using your own tactics against you, we can have a good belly laugh when you squeal like stuck pigs.

I advise all of you far-right losers to get a grip and deal with the current reality, if you want anyone to listen to a single word that you say.
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I am going to have a good laugh at you this November, and again in 16.

I hope that you noticed that I didn't mention the racism that is present in some of the far-right diatribes. The reason that I left it out is because it is ignored by most Americans and I don't see it as a big factor in today's politics.
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You progressives are a hoot....All you have is whinny childish excuses...I can actually picture a 10 year old half crying, blurting out...."They called him a Muslim, they are racist!".... You think that kind of excuse making actually makes it ok to break the law? Pathetic.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
*Sigh*

Yet another conservative who hates the president because of whatever reason, and will use any accusation he can think of against the president no matter how false his accusation is. To wit:

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Once again, if the uppity black guy in the White House does just what all the white guys did before him did, well, that's TYRANNY!!!!!
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And another excuse making progressive that squealed when it was done by a repub, but is fine with it now....It isn't the amount, it is what they are.

We see you progressives....And we know what you want...I don't understand why you don't just move to Venezuela.
 
American said:
Total bull****, red herring statement intended to deflect from the real issue. As the Executive, he is welcome to assure all those things, AS LONG AS THEY ARE PART OF LAWS LEGISLATED THROUGH CONGRESS. And don't read this as my tacid support for social programs, this is purely about separation of powers. That's what this thread is about. This isn't about your pet issue.
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I quoted from the article in the OP the majority of my post and that is not what this thread is about? Interesting.
 
Kreton said:
Do you know what the separation of powers is? Because from what I see you conservatives keep calling foul, then it turns out you were wrong. There is a difference between someone doing something you don't like and something being illegal. The president does have this power. This power granted to him, knowingly or not, by the people of the United States. Think back to all the times over his presidency that people have said that is illegal or unconstitutional and thrown hissy fits. What has come of that? To me it seems like nothing.

Furthermore I am not a progressive nor would I support a dictator. However I do realize that the president does have this power. He has exercised it before. I don't recall conservative panties being in a bunch when Bush did it. But then again I suppose you people would support a dictatorship as long as that dictator is a Republican right? I'll tell you like I told the last guy, if you don't like the things that the president is doing vote someone else in. And then you can support these same actions by a guy with a different letter in front of his name.
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I hardly think it can be denied that we have witnessed a slow but steady concentration of power to the executive branch , and that congress has been abdicating its powers. Partisans have for sometime shown that they would tolerate dictatorship of their party, just not the other. The constitution is always more important to the partisan when the opposing party is in power.
 
j-mac said:
And another excuse making progressive that squealed when it was done by a repub, but is fine with it now....It isn't the amount, it is what they are.

We see you progressives....And we know what you want...I don't understand why you don't just move to Venezuela.
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And the righties had no problem with it when Bush did it. Why is it this is hiding in plain sight?
 
reinoe said:
You're the one screaming and raving about how Obama is about to bring on the apocolypse. Surely you know of one example?
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Go ahead and post whatever you want about EO's, SS's, etc... I'm not playing your little game where you limit his actions to fall into certain constraints or they don't count. You can easily see in this thread what the beef is that we have with him.
 
Montecresto said:
I hardly think it can be denied that we have witnessed a slow but steady concentration of power to the executive branch , and that congress has been abdicating its powers. Partisans have for sometime shown that they would tolerate dictatorship of their party, just not the other. The constitution is always more important to the partisan when the opposing party is in power.
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I agree with that completely. Every president seems to give that office more power than when they came in. As this continues we will have a dictator.
 
Montecresto said:
I can assure you Anthony, that Obama is not my guy. You must have missed my first post in the thread. I only point out Bush's comments because there is a trend towards the imperial presidency that will not end when Obama leaves office unless partisans start being Americans first, and republicans or democrats second. As for Bush's comments being "a poor joke", sorry. It's not the kind of comment a president ever should make. You may not realize it, blinded by your partisan ideology at the time, but there were plenty of people who felt the same way about Bush, as we now feel about Obama. So his comment was FAR from a joke, or funny to us. And, it was a comment he made in variants, 2 or 3 different times. STOP being a partisan yourself, and stop acting as though the constitution is only important to you when a democrat is in the White House!!
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I had plenty of problems with Bush, and some of his actions that were unconstitutional. But he does not come close to what Obama is doing to concentrate power and circumvent the Constitution. And yes, there is already too much power in the presidency, way more than was intended. And each president just builds on the power grabbed by the previous president.
 
Kreton said:
I agree with that completely. Every president seems to give that office more power than when they came in. As this continues we will have a dictator.
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If you're going to say that Obama has engaged in illegal behavior then you should prove it. Were you lying in order to whip up hysteria?

You see there's a difference between claiming Obama is engaging in unconstitutional behavior and what Obama is actually saying he's going to do. That you can't tell the difference proves that you're nothing more than a partisan engaging in hyperventilation. If you're going to claim Obama is doing something unconstitutional you should cite an example or admit you're wrong.

Remember when you said that Obama issued signing statements on the Dream Act? That was a false statement you made and it's indicative of your morality, intellectual dishonesty, and conduct. You make false statements and have no regard for the truth. That you don't like being called on it is not my problem. Stop making up false statements.
 
I wash the President had more than a pen and a phone. I wish he would talk with people more than talk at them over the phone. For someone who is supposed to be so personable, he doesn't seem to engage people that much.
 
reinoe said:
If you're going to say that Obama has engaged in illegal behavior then you should prove it. Were you lying in order to whip up hysteria?

You see there's a difference between claiming Obama is engaging in unconstitutional behavior and what Obama is actually saying he's going to do. That you can't tell the difference proves that you're nothing more than a partisan engaging in hyperventilation. If you're going to claim Obama is doing something unconstitutional you should cite an example or admit you're wrong.

Remember when you said that Obama issued signing statements on the Dream Act? That was a false statement you made and it's indicative of your morality, intellectual dishonesty, and conduct. You make false statements and have no regard for the truth. That you don't like being called on it is not my problem. Stop making up false statements.
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WTF are you talking about? Are you serious? You should take a little time and go through and read this thread. After posting all that I would love to see you go find one post on here where I said Obama was engaged in illegal behavior like you are claiming I did
 
Anthony60 said:
I had plenty of problems with Bush, and some of his actions that were unconstitutional. But he does not come close to what Obama is doing to concentrate power and circumvent the Constitution. And yes, there is already too much power in the presidency, way more than was intended. And each president just builds on the power grabbed by the previous president.
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Well then, if we could just all agree (and of course I mean beyond this board) with that, and then actually start doing something about it. We could reverse this trend that is not going to bode well for our republic. But I fully realise that that is very big IF!
 
Kreton said:
See my response above. It applies here too. Whether you like it or not the president does have that power.
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On the contrary - the President has exceeded his power on several occasions. Furthermore, the ability to sign Executive Orders gives the President a narrow ability to exercise control within statutory limits over the Executive Branch of the Federal Government. To use them as a substitute for legislation is no more legal than attempting to do the same with "sense of the senate" bills.

Whoever the next president is I am certain you will not judge him by his actions, but by the letter in front of their name.
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Meh, to an extent, but I suspect not the way you think. I tend to have higher standards for Republicans, as they at least nominally run on platforms that I am more upset if they later violate. Obama didn't close down gitmo, and I don't really hold that against him, for example. If the next Republican runs on entitlement reform and then demonstrates zero actual dedication to it while in office, I will not be quite as sanguine.
 
Montecresto said:
And the righties had no problem with it when Bush did it. Why is it this is hiding in plain sight?
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If this has been a steady progression, and I'll agree it has, are you really going to make an argument that the other guy did it so it's ok?
 
cpwill said:
On the contrary - the President has exceeded his power on several occasions. Furthermore, the ability to sign Executive Orders gives the President a narrow ability to exercise control within statutory limits over the Executive Branch of the Federal Government. To use them as a substitute for legislation is no more legal than attempting to do the same with "sense of the senate" bills.
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Show me then when he was proven to have exceeded his power. Not by the opinion of the Republican party but in actual facts.
 
Kreton said:
And I assume you will respect that opinion regardless of the outcome?
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We will have to see what they say, but agree or not, their decision stands unless they overturn it.
 
Kreton said:
WTF are you talking about? Are you serious? You should take a little time and go through and read this thread. After posting all that I would love to see you go find one post on here where I said Obama was engaged in illegal behavior like you are claiming I did
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Oh, that's an epic fail on my part, I quoted the wrong person:3oops: I could tell immediately by the reasonable response and coherent points and I thought to myself: this person has become completely coherent. Then I realized I was quoting the wrong person. Really truly sorry 'bout that.
 
reinoe said:
Oh, that's an epic fail on my part, I quoted the wrong person:3oops: I could tell immediately by the reasonable response and coherent points and I thought to myself: this person has become completely coherent. Then I realized I was quoting the wrong person. Really truly sorry 'bout that.
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That makes so much more sense.
 
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